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    The following is from a Rand Corporation Study (http://www.rand.org/pubs/testimonies/CT391.html) on the possible vulnerability of the US to what was then referred to as "Mumbai-styled attacks." Rand cited the following incidents:



    Although the Mumbai assault was audacious and unprecedented in its scale, complexity, and consequences, the annals of terrorism provide ample precedents for armed assaults, going all the way back to the 1972 terrorist attack at Tel Avivís airport. The attack, which came to be known as the Lod Airport massacre, was carried out by the Japanese Red Army, acting for the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, with whom the Japanese group had become allies. Three attackers, armed with automatic weapons and hand grenades, opened fire on passengers disembarking from a flight arriving from the United States. Twenty-five people were killed in the assault, and 80 were wounded. More-recent terrorist assaults include:
    • 1985: The Abu Nidal organization carried out simultaneous armed assaults at the Vienna and Rome airports, killing a total of 19 and wounding 140.
    • 1997: Six gunmen attacked tourists in Luxor, Egypt, killing 62.
    • 2001: Six gunman opened fire on a church in Bahawalpur, Pakistan, killing 15.
    • 2001: Five gunmen attacked Indiaís Parliament House, killing seven.
    • 2002: Jihadist gunmen attacked the American consulate in Calcutta, India, killing five.
    • 2003: Four gunmen attacked multiple targets in Yanbu, Saudi Arabia, killing six.
    • 2003: Gunmen attacked foreign housing compounds in Khobar, Saudi Arabia, killing 22.
    • 2004: Five armed attackers broke through the gates of the American consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, killing five.
    • 2004: A large group of gunmen assaulted a school complex in Beslan, Russia, killing and barricading themselves with hostages, most of them children. The episode, the most spectacular event listed here, lasted nearly three days and resulted in 380 deaths.
    • 2009: Members of he Pakistan Taliban attacked the Pakistani Armyís General Headquarters in Rawalpindi, killing six.
    • 2011: A lone gunman opened fire on the American embassy in Sarajevo, Bosnia, wounding one.
    • 2011: Pakistan Taliban gunmen attacked and waged a 16-hour gun battle at the naval air base in Karachi, Pakistan, killing 12.
    • 2011: Motivated by anti-Muslim sentiments, Anders Breivik detonated a bomb in Oslo, killing eight, and then proceeded to gun down people at a nearby youth camp, killing 69.
    • 2011: A jihadist gunman opened fire on a bus carrying U.S. military personnel at Frankfurt Airport in Germany, killing two.
    • 2012: A lone gunman, inspired by jihadist ideology, carried out a series of shootings in Toulouse and Montauban, France, killing seven and wounding five.
    • 2012: A heavily armed group of reportedly as many as 150 men attacked the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya, killing four, including the American ambassador, and wounding 10.
    • 2013: Terrorists claiming allegiance to al Qaeda carried out a major assault at Amenas, Algeria, killing 37.
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    The U.S. Experience

    The United States is not immune to such attacks. In preparing Congressional testimony on this topic, one cannot help but recall the 1954 armed assault on Congress itself by four Puerto Rican separatists, in which five members of Congress were wounded. Capitol security has increased since then.
    All of the more recent terrorist shootings in the United States have involved a single shooter:
    • 1994: A heavily armed Lebanese immigrant opened fire on a van carrying Jewish students on the Brooklyn Bridge in New York, killing one and wounding three.
    • 1997: A Palestinian nationalist opened fire on spectators on the observation deck of New Yorkís Empire State Building, killing one and wounding six.
    • 2002: An Egyptian limousine driver shot and killed two persons at the El Al ticket counter in the Los Angeles Airport. (Although the attacker was labeled a terrorist, his precise motives, beyond killing Jews, were not apparent.)
    • 2009: Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad (aka Carlos Bledsoe) shot and killed one soldier and wounded another at an Army recruiting office in Little Rock, Arkansas.
    • 2009: Motivated by white supremacist beliefs, a man opened fire at the Holocaust Museum in Washington, killing one person.
    • 2009: Major Nidal Hasan shot and killed 13 of his fellow soldiers at Fort Hood, Texas; 31 others were wounded in the attack.
    • 2012: An army veteran linked to white supremacist groups opened fire on members of a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wisconsin, killing six and wounding four.
    • 2013: During their escape, following the Boston Marathon bombing, the Tsaernev brothers engaged in a running gun battle with police in which the older brother was killed and one officer was wounded. (The Tsaernevs had earlier killed one police officer.)



    Needless to say, we have a lot of precedent, and a large population of potential recruits for CONUS attacks. The red text indicates a gun-free zone, while the blue text indicates states or cities with strict gun controls. And, it should be noted that the planned FT Dix shooting would have involved multiple attackers in a gun-free zone within a state with strict gun controls. Just something to keep in mind when our governing and media class tells us that we don't need guns for personal protection, that gun-free zones should be expanded and that jihadis are not a threat.
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    Of course it can. It does happen, just not by Muslim terrorists in an organized attack. It's usually a lone crazy guy who should have been in a mental hospital.
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    No-brainer, really. Honestly pretty much a waste of resources to even do the study, I hope no actual tax money went into it.
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    Not to nitpick but we've had mall shootings before. But, yes, thanks to liberal Democrat policies something like this is a cakewalk here. Hell, the Aurora theater shooting should point that out.
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    Ody ...

    I didn't go to your link, but I did read what you posted, with great interest.

    How about John Allen Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo, the Beltway snipers, back in 2002?

    Remember that? I still to this day, think that there was a good possibility that the two of them were also radical adherents of Islam.

    The Beltway sniper attacks were a series of coordinated shootings that took place during three weeks in October 2002 in Washington, D.C., Maryland, and Virginia. Ten people were killed and three other victims were critically injured in several locations throughout the Washington, D.C. metropolitan area and along Interstate 95 in Virginia. It was widely speculated that a single sniper, initially identified as a white man with assumed military experience, was using the Capital Beltway for travel, possibly in a white van or truck. It was later learned that the rampage was perpetrated by one man, John Allen Muhammad, and one minor, Lee Boyd Malvo, driving a blue 1990 Chevrolet Caprice sedan, and had apparently begun the month before with murders and robbery in Louisiana and Alabama, which had resulted in three of the deaths.[1]

    In September 2003, Muhammad was sentenced to death. One month later, Malvo was sentenced to six consecutive life sentences without the possibility of parole. On November 10, 2009, Muhammad was executed by lethal injection.
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beltway_sniper_attacks

    And yes, to answer the question ... it most definitely CAN happen here!
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    The only way these mass shootings will stop is the day they confront armed citizens and run like hell.

    Of course it can. It does happen, just not by Muslim terrorists in an organized attack. It's usually a lone crazy guy who should have been in a mental hosp
    Noonie, I'd say we are seeing a pattern when the same name keeps cropping up: MOHAMMED.

    Religion of peace...MY ASS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noonwitch View Post
    Of course it can. It does happen, just not by Muslim terrorists in an organized attack. It's usually a lone crazy guy who should have been in a mental hospital.
    The question is whether organized groups of gunmen (or women, apparently the widow of one of the British Tube bombers was operational in Kenya) are a likely escalation in the US. Given the sheer mass of response to single gunmen in incidents like the Navy Yard and FT Hood, and the obvious vulnerabilities of our gun-free zones (which include high-value military targets) it's only a matter of time before an al Qaeda affiliate decides to up the stakes here.

    Quote Originally Posted by ABC in Georgia View Post
    Ody ...

    I didn't go to your link, but I did read what you posted, with great interest.

    How about John Allen Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo, the Beltway snipers, back in 2002?

    Remember that? I still to this day, think that there was a good possibility that the two of them were also radical adherents of Islam.



    Pardon the link, but read more here:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beltway_sniper_attacks

    And yes, to answer the question ... it most definitely CAN happen here!
    You are correct, John Allen Mohammed was a jihadi, and the report mentions him in another list. In fact, given the prolonged nature of his killings, I'd say that he's the closest in terms of organization and planning to the Mumbai attackers. Good catch.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sonnabend View Post
    The only way these mass shootings will stop is the day they confront armed citizens and run like hell.



    Noonie, I'd say we are seeing a pattern when the same name keeps cropping up: MOHAMMED.

    Religion of peace...MY ASS.
    Agreed. In fact, the elite reaction of increased gun controls is exactly the wrong answer, as it lets our enemies know that we are lowering our most effective defense posture. Increasing our vulnerability is not a logical way to reduce our risk, but we're talking about liberals and logic...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post

    Increasing our vulnerability is not a logical way to reduce our risk, but we're talking about liberals and logic...
    Which are mutually exclusive.
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