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  1. #1 Robert Oscar Lopez: Some recent studies on gay relationships 
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    From Robert Oscar Lopez blog:

    http://englishmanif.blogspot.com/

    "Homophobia is the least of our worries:

    Go Google these studies:

    Denmark: After 30 years of studying legally recognized same-sex partnerships, they found that gay males married to men had the same health as single men. Lesbians married to women had health worse than single women. The people with the best health were men married to women and women married to men.

    Canada: Domestic violence occurs in 7% of straight couples, 15% of lesbian couples, and a whopping 28% of gay male couples.

    United States CDC: HIV infection rates are rising among boys aged 13-19, because there has been a spike in the rates of these youngsters having homosexual intercourse, often illegally with adults they meet on the Internet (like Tyler Clementi, which wasn't a cause of homophobia-induced suicide, but rather a case of a 30-year-old predator inflicting fatal stress on an 18-year-old boy.) 95% of teen HIV infections involve unprotected anal sex between HIV- boys and HIV+ males, most of the latter group being adults since they had time to get infected.

    Belgium, Spain, Quebec, Sweden: Where gay marriage has been legalized, gay males have a 20% higher divorce rate, and lesbians have an 80% higher divorce rate.

    Canada: After an exhaustive study of the Canadian census, they found that same-sex couples raising children cause their charges to have very poor academic performance, with the exception of gay males raising boys. Overall, children in same-sex couple homes only have 65% the graduation rate of kids in homes with a mom and a dad.

    United States (military): In 2010, the gay lobby and the Defense Department kept secret that they know of 19,000 rapes in the military each year, of which 11,000 were homosexual male assaults. By 2013, three years after the repeal, there were 26,000 sexual assaults in the military, and 19,000 homosexual male assaults. Hence homosexual males comprise about 1% of the US military but they commit 55-60% of the sexual assaults -- and don't claim that they aren't gay. If you can go around "outing" all kinds of people from Larry Craig to Marcus Bachmann, you don't get to claim suddenly that these cases weren't committed by homosexual men.

    United States: The rate of anal rape has increased since sexual education about homosexuality became widespread in public schools.

    United States: Gay men have higher rates of anorexia and bulimia than straight females. This is largely because of the gay community's obsession with physical beauty and fear of fat and aging.

    So the bottom line is, gay people hold the key to improving the lives of gay people."

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    "Canada: Domestic violence occurs in 7% of straight couples, 15% of lesbian couples, and a whopping 28% of gay male couples.
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    Always look for imprecise language. What is a couple? Are we talking married couples? Are we talking about couples in a relationship? Are we talking about dating or cohabiting? We need to know this to understand if we are looking at relevant information. If you are comparing married heterosexual couples to dating male couples then there are dynamic differences. What is the definition of domestic violence in Canada? In the US we generally have two sets of statistics on domestic violence : empirical data drawn from police and court records and goo which is extracted from thin air and extrapolated by "activists" and/or sociologists. Some people consider yelling to be domestic violence. Of course we are told that women are quite reluctant to report domestic violence out of fear of retribution. So when we're trying to damn the gay community, do we count heterosexual domestic violence incidence as estimated by a female professor at Smith College, or do we use a figure put out by someone who wants to generate drama?
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    United States CDC: HIV infection rates are rising among boys aged 13-19, because there has been a spike in the rates of these youngsters having homosexual intercourse, often illegally with adults they meet on the Internet (like Tyler Clementi, which wasn't a cause of homophobia-induced suicide, but rather a case of a 30-year-old predator inflicting fatal stress on an 18-year-old boy.) 95% of teen HIV infections involve unprotected anal sex between HIV- boys and HIV+ males, most of the latter group being adults since they had time to get infected.

    What ever did gay-baiters do before AIDS came along?

    "... often illegally" means precisely what? What is the clinical definition of "often" and shouldn't something as serious as HIV be discussed using clinical and scientific terms? Often? What does that mean? In a nation of 310 million people, there can be a new article every day generating a sense of often-ness while being utterly irrelevant statistically. Considering the age spread Lopez refers to, it's not necessary for any of the sexual activity to be illegal. The nature of an STD is such that it can indeed be legally passed from a 20 year old to a 13 year old via a 19 year old , 18 year old, 17 year old, 16 year old, 15 year old, 14 year old to the 13 year old without breaking any laws, without any predatory behavior, and unfortunately in complete ignorance.

    95% of teen HIV infections involve unprotected anal sex between HIV- boys and HIV+ males, most of the latter group being adults since they had time to get infected.

    Time to get infected? You mean, they had more than ten minutes, right? Who is this idiot you keep quoting? That's right.. some fucked up queen that blames his miserable life on his mother.
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    Source for any of this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    "Canada: Domestic violence occurs in 7% of straight couples, 15% of lesbian couples, and a whopping 28% of gay male couples.
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    Always look for imprecise language. What is a couple? Are we talking married couples? Are we talking about couples in a relationship? Are we talking about dating or cohabiting? We need to know this to understand if we are looking at relevant information. If you are comparing married heterosexual couples to dating male couples then there are dynamic differences. What is the definition of domestic violence in Canada? In the US we generally have two sets of statistics on domestic violence : empirical data drawn from police and court records and goo which is extracted from thin air and extrapolated by "activists" and/or sociologists. Some people consider yelling to be domestic violence. Of course we are told that women are quite reluctant to report domestic violence out of fear of retribution. So when we're trying to damn the gay community, do we count heterosexual domestic violence incidence as estimated by a female professor at Smith College, or do we use a figure put out by someone who wants to generate drama?
    You are assuming facts not in evidence. While it is possible that this study compares all gay couples only to straight married couples, there is nothing to indicate that this is the case. However, it ought to be relatively easy to find out, since the study should be a matter of public record somewhere. I wasn't able to go to the page that Elspeth linked from my work computer, but I tried other sources, and generally, I found two memes; Gay relationships are no more violent than straight ones, and gay relationships are far more violent than straight ones. Going to one of the sites claiming the former, I found some interesting imprecise language, from the American Progress.Org factsheet on the subject. First, the quote:

    • One out of four to one out of three same-sex relationships has experienced domestic violence.
    • By comparison, one in every four heterosexual women experiences domestic violence in her lifetime.
    Now, note the sleight of hand there. While on in four heterosexual women experiences domestic violence in her lifetime, one out of four same-sex relationships experiences domestic violence. This compares individuals, who will experience an event over the course of a lifetime, with relationships, which an individual may have many of over the course of a lifetime. Thus, if an LGBT person has ten relationships, the math shows that they would experience domestic violence 2-3 times, while only one out of four heterosexual women with the same number of relationships would experience it once over the course of her lifetime. That's a huge disparity that is concealed by the language.

    If the advocates for gays are working that hard to manipulate the numbers, then it's probably a safe bet that those who argue that gay couples experience more domestic violence are more accurate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    What ever did gay-baiters do before AIDS came along?
    AIDS was a catalyst, but not for gay baiters. Gay activists used it as a means of radicalizing gays and pushing the reasonable argument that the lives of gays mattered into the unreasonable arguments that everyone was equally at risk, that epidemioligical practices to try to trace contacts and identify carriers was somehow wrong, and that gay sexual practices which spread the disease should not be discouraged. It provided gays with the cause that they had previously lacked and turned "the love that dare not speak its name" to "the love that won't shut up for a second."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    If the advocates for gays are working that hard to manipulate the numbers, then it's probably a safe bet that those who argue that gay couples experience more domestic violence are more accurate.
    Not really. The most obvious assessment would be that gay groups try to produce neutral or positive results while anti-gay groups try to produce negative results.

    Given that gay people are trying to defend equal rights and anti-gay groups are trying to deny equal rights, then the moral high ground goes to the gay people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    AIDS was a catalyst, but not for gay baiters. Gay activists used it as a means of radicalizing gays and pushing the reasonable argument that the lives of gays mattered into the unreasonable arguments that everyone was equally at risk, that epidemioligical practices to try to trace contacts and identify carriers was somehow wrong, and that gay sexual practices which spread the disease should not be discouraged. It provided gays with the cause that they had previously lacked and turned "the love that dare not speak its name" to "the love that won't shut up for a second."
    Yes, AIDS was a blessing to the gay rights movement and you aren't a fucking idiot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Generation Why? View Post
    Source for any of this?
    Yep.

    CBS News: Denmark health study

    ...Men and women in heterosexual marriages had the lowest rate of mortality....

    Gay men who were married were only 1.4 times more likely to die by 2011, making their rates of dying lower than those of heterosexual divorced or unmarried men...

    Unlike the men, mortality rates have increased slightly for married lesbian couples, with rates higher than those of married gay men and heterosexual couples who live together. Researchers believe that it is because married lesbians were 60 percent more likely to die from cancer and six times more likely to commit suicide than married straight women, although the reasons why are unknown.

    "Since the year 2000, same-sex married Danish lesbians have had mortality rates that are almost 90 percent higher than opposite-sex women in Denmark," he said to Live Science.

    Suicide rates for same sex male couples were also higher than those for married straight couples.

    Canada: Gay/Lesbian Domestic Violence

    Spousal violence among gay or lesbian couples appears to be about twice that among heterosexual couples (15% vs. 7% over 5 years) (2005 report on Family Violence in Canada).

    HHS: Adolescent Health
    CDC: HIV Surveillance Report
    Despite stable rates of HIV diagnosis in older populations, the rate of HIV diagnoses from 2006 to 2009 increased in teens 15-19
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    Thank you. What about sources for the other claims? I'm not going to provide any input to the conversation. Just want to read these studies.
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