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    By:F. Michael Maloof

    WASHINGTON – Retired Army Maj. Gen. Patrick Brady, recipient of the U.S. military’s highest decoration, the Medal of Honor, as well as other top retired officers, say President Obama’s agenda is decimating the morale of the U.S. ranks to the point members no longer feel prepared to fight or have the desire to win.

    “There is no doubt he (Obama) is intent on emasculating the military and will fire anyone who disagrees with him” over such issues as “homosexuals, women in foxholes, the Obama sequester,” Brady told WND.

    “They are purging everyone, and if you want to keep your job, just keep your mouth shut,” one source told WND.

    Not only are military service members being demoralized and the ranks’ overall readiness being reduced by the Obama administration’s purge of key leaders, colonels – those lined up in rank to replace outgoing generals – are quietly taking their careers in other directions
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    The "Obama Sequester"?

    This is political axe grinding. It is not serious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arroyo_Doble View Post
    The "Obama Sequester"?

    This is political axe grinding. It is not serious.
    You honestly don't think that it's not serious that a president is having such a broad purge of the miitary based on political ideas and for expressing their opinions? A real leader values the opinions of his experts and learns from others. Obama has no military experience, no business experience, has a mean vengeful streak and is a know it all who says what is expedient with no concern for the truth.

    AD, I met you in person some years ago at the CU get together in Dunedin, Fl. I know you're not that uninformed. Stop kidding a kidder. Maybe you're one of the contrarians that just like to get a rise out of people. Who knows?

    I did get this information from a very informed person, a friend with her doctorate, on the E coast. It had been passed to her by a high ranking member of the military, a personal friend. I didn't post it at the time, as there was no direct link, but it essentially said the same as the posted article.

    Does anyone here feel safer with a president like Obama in office? I don't. Who wants a military or administration fllled with yes men who are afraid to express an opinion? Obama rules by fear and intimidation. Those people who said that Obama was so "nice" are fools. He's not "cool"--he's an uninformed tyrant. Other than that, he's a real peach.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arroyo_Doble View Post
    The "Obama Sequester"?

    This is political axe grinding. It is not serious.
    No, it's actually your "Not-The-Glorious-Leader's-Fault" talking point defense that is political. Sequester was Obozo's proposal in the first place, and he purposely chose to make a hypertechnical interpretation of the law to make the cuts more painful than the law actually required within the bounds of the affected appropriations, far below the 'Major subdivisions of funds' level, forbidding agencies from managing-to-budget within those bounds. And, of course, it was his own intransigence in negotiating that triggered it, out of a desire to gain partisan advantage.

    It's entirely appropriate to refer to it as the Obama Sequester.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaintLouieWoman View Post
    You honestly don't think that it's not serious that a president is having such a broad purge of the miitary based on political ideas and for expressing their opinions? A real leader values the opinions of his experts and learns from others. Obama has no military experience, no business experience, has a mean vengeful streak and is a know it all who says what is expedient with no concern for the truth.

    AD, I met you in person some years ago at the CU get together in Dunedin, Fl. I know you're not that uninformed. Stop kidding a kidder. Maybe you're one of the contrarians that just like to get a rise out of people. Who knows?

    I did get this information from a very informed person, a friend with her doctorate, on the E coast. It had been passed to her by a high ranking member of the military, a personal friend. I didn't post it at the time, as there was no direct link, but it essentially said the same as the posted article.

    Does anyone here feel safer with a president like Obama in office? I don't. Who wants a military or administration fllled with yes men who are afraid to express an opinion? Obama rules by fear and intimidation. Those people who said that Obama was so "nice" are fools. He's not "cool"--he's an uninformed tyrant. Other than that, he's a real peach.
    The retired general used a baldly political talking point; the "Obama Sequester." It is okay to use rhetorical devices to push a political point of view but it is obvious to most when it is done. As such, it is axe grinding and not a serious, objective critique of the actions taken by the Commander-in-Chief with regards to staffing decisions in the military.

    The Executive has limited power over the Purse in our system. I am sure the general knows that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DumbAss Tanker View Post
    No, it's actually your "Not-The-Glorious-Leader's-Fault" talking point defense that is political. Sequester was Obozo's proposal in the first place, and he purposely chose to make a hypertechnical interpretation of the law to make the cuts more painful than the law actually required within the bounds of the affected appropriations, far below the 'Major subdivisions of funds' level, forbidding agencies from managing-to-budget within those bounds. And, of course, it was his own intransigence in negotiating that triggered it, out of a desire to gain partisan advantage.

    It's entirely appropriate to refer to it as the Obama Sequester.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arroyo_Doble View Post
    The retired general used a baldly political talking point; the "Obama Sequester." It is okay to use rhetorical devices to push a political point of view but it is obvious to most when it is done. As such, it is axe grinding and not a serious, objective critique of the actions taken by the Commander-in-Chief with regards to staffing decisions in the military.

    The Executive has limited power over the Purse in our system. I am sure the general knows that.
    Here is a very specific list of generals who have left the service. I doubt if all of them are axe-grinding. This is the information given to me by a college professor who is very careful about checking sources.

    On October 12, 2013, ABC’s Dianne Sawyer brought us a video of a 9th, yes 9th, General fired from the military this week. It’s even reaching some of the more liberal stations and begging them to ask the question, “What is going on?” It seems President Obama is preparing what he calls “my military” for his version of the final solution. With all the documentation we have, it looks as though he is purging the military for the next step

    We have now seen this official President Obama temper-tantrum in action this week. But is it a temper-tantrum or is there a method to his madness?

    We have been warned by a Pentagon Official to expect radical changes. You heard of our dire warnings of Chinese Economists planning to foreclose and forming the TPP Treaty that could set a global economy in motion. We have the very real possibility of 16 U.S. States being shut-down and handed over due to debt in this mess. We even have a CIA whistle blower warning us that President Obama wants to radically take over power. People are crying out, where is our military in this mess?

    Well, there seems to be some very credible evidence that since last year and through this year that there has been a “litmus test” given to American Military Officers. The Main point of that test, “Would you fire on an American Citizen?” If you say no, then as Donald Trump would say, “Your fired!” Since the beginning of the year these retired officers have come forward with ““President Obama is preparing for war against the U.S.”. We even know Dr. Garrow and others confirmed this litmus test.

    Then we have heard President Obama himself talk about “My Military”.

    And this isn’t all. This strange chain of firings from the Military is so bizarre and so unheard of that even Dianne Sawyer of ABC news reached out to cover it when the 9th, yes 9th, Military Commanding Officer was relieved of duty in less than a year. This doesn’t include the long list last year, this is just the nine individuals this year alone.

    General Carter Hamm, United States Army-Served as head of the United States African Command. Was in charge of the US African command during the fateful night of September 11, 2012 when the lives of four American citizens was taken in the Embassy in Benghazi. Hamm was extremely critical of our Commander and Chief and stated he lied about not having reinforcements in the area on that night. Hamm “resigned and retired” on April of 2013

    Rear Admiral Charles Gaouette/United States Navy-Commander of Carrier Strike Group Three. His most recent activity served as Deputy Commander of the US Naval Forces, US Central Command. He was in charge of Air Craft Carriers in the Mediterranean Sea the night of September 11, 2012. He testified before the hearing committee and said that there may not have been time to get the flight crews there but left the door open on if told when the events took place if that he could have had the aircraft launched upon cross-examination by Rep. Tray Gowdey. Recently fired from the Administrative post and relieved of Duty by the Obama Administration for “utterance of a racial slur”.

    Major General Ralph Baker, United States Army- Major General Baker served as the Commander of the Joint Task Force-Horn at Camp Lamar, Djibouti, Africa. Was also involved in some aspect with the incident September 11, 2012, being under the African Command. Had said he believed attack helicopters could have made it in time. Relieved of command and fired for groping a civilian (no assault charges or sexual misconduct charges filed with JAG)

    Brigadier General Bryan Roberts, United States Army-General Roberts took command of Fort Jackson in 2011. Was considered a rising star in his field. He served in Iraq during his service as the Commanding Officer of the 2nd Brigade Combat Team, and was the Deputy Commanding General of the United States Army Recruiting Command, Fort Knox, KY. Relieved of Duty and Fired for Adultery. While this is still on the books in the United States Code of Military Justice, it has rarely been used since President Bill Clinton’s indiscretions

    Major General Gregg A. Sturdevant, United States Marine Corps-Director of Strategic Planning and Policy of for the United States Pacific Command and Commander of the aviation wing at Camp Bastion, Afghanistan. Highly decorated soldier with two Naval and Marine Commendations and two Naval and Marine Good Conduct medals. He also has an Air Medal with a gold star. He served honorably and distinctively. He had asked about supplies to his command. He was one of two commanding officers suddenly relieved of command and fired from the military for failure of proper force protection.

    Major General Charles M.M. Gurganus, United States Marine Corps- Regional Commander in the Southwest and I Marine Expeditionary Force (a forward or frontal division) in Afghanistan. Also Highly decorated with a Defense Superior Service Medal, two Legion of Merritt w/Valor, and three Meritorious Service Commendations. Major General C.M.M. Gurganus had questioned the use of Afghanistan patrols along side American patrols after two officers were executed at their desk and a platoon was lead into an ambush on the front lines. Was the other commander relieved of duty for failure of proper force protection.

    Lieutenant General David Holmes Huntoon Jr, United States Army-Served as the 58th Superintendent of the United States Military Academy at West Point, NY. He had graduated from the same academy in 1973 and had served in Senior Planning and Education Services through the majority of his career. He was “censored” for “an investigation” into an “improper relationship” according to The Department of Defense. Nothing was released to the nature of the improper relationship. Nothing was even mentioned if an actual investigation even took place.

    Vice Admiral Tim Giardina, United States Navy-Deputy Commander of the United States Strategic Command. Commander of the Submarine Group Trident, Submarine Group 9 and Submarine Group 10, where every single one of the 18 Nuclear Submarines with Nuclear Trident Missiles of those three groups were in his command. This commander earned six Legions of Merit, Two Meritorious Service Medals, two Joint Service Commendation Medals, and several other medals, ribbons and decorations in his illustrious career. He was removed from service and fired from the military for the charge of using counterfeit poker chips (not making that up).

    Last on the list, Major General Michael Carry, United States Air Force-Commander 20th Air Force in charge of 9,600 people and 450 Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles (ICBM) at three operational wings and served in both Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom. He was Fired October 11, 2013, for “Personal Misbehavior” is what was told to ABC News. He and Giardina were both the two top Commanders over the United States Nuclear Arsenal before their dismissal within 48 hours of each other.

    As ABC News reports, this is an extremely alarming rate and one of the biggest and fastest purges of military personnel ever recorded. It apparently is such a shock at the rate even for a long time veteran of reporting the news as Dianne Sawyer, because at one point she gets heated saying two Commanders of the Nuclear Command.

    You don’t put people who are not very intelligent and without a squeaky clean record over that area of the Military. It is enough to make the hardest and staunchest of supporters as the ABC news crew to pause and ask themselves, “what step is he planning?”
    I'm not going to start all the stuff about the various departments of the gov't buying all the bullets, but I can't recall a period when there has been a purge like this. I remember the bad old days of Bubba where many military resigned because they wouldn't "salute that man as commander in chief" but don't remember that many being fired.

    Something strange is going on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arroyo_Doble View Post
    The "Obama Sequester"?

    This is political axe grinding. It is not serious.
    "Oh, Kettle, thou art black," said the pot.

    The Sequester was Obama's initiative (or at least, his administration's, as he hasn't shown much personal initiative), and its impacts were almost entirely confined to the DOD, which took major cuts. However, if you object to the term Obama's Sequester, you can still address the impacts of "the" Sequester, such as the $500B in defense cuts over 10 years. Or, you can address the General's other issues, such as the very real impacts of the implementation of Obama's policies, such as the elimination of gender restrictions on combat assignments, the removal of the ban on openly gay troops or the purges of leaders who sought to protect US personnel in Benghazi. Here's more of the article:


    Boykin said the future of the military is becoming more and more of concern, since colonels who would be generals also are being relieved of duty, if they show that they’re not going to support Obama’s agenda, which critics have described as socialist.

    “I talk to a lot of folks who don’t support where Obama is taking the military, but in the military they can’t say anything,” Boykin said.

    As a consequence, he said, the lower grades therefore have decided to leave, having been given the signal that there is no future in the military for them.

    Boykin referred to recent reports that Obama has purged some 197 officers in the past five years.

    These reports suggest these officers were suspected of disloyalty or disagreed with the Obama administration on policy or force-structure issues. As Boykin pointed out, a number of them have been relieved of duty for no given reason.

    “Morale is at an unprecedented low,” Boykin said, part of which is due to sequestration.

    Sequestration has seriously cut back operational readiness for the military to the point where Boykin said that often they have no ammunition and are unable to conduct training because of the planned cuts.

    “These officers want to train for war but are not be allowed to” because of the preoccupation not only with sequestration, but what Boykin said were other concerns surfacing in the military under Obama as commander-in-chief.

    He referred specifically to the recent repeal of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell,” which now allows openly homosexual personnel in the military. In addition, he said the integration of women into the infantry “will reduce readiness of units.” He also was critical of the rules of engagement which he says favor “political correctness over our ability to fight to win.”

    “The last time we won an all-out war was in 1944,” Boykin said. “Now, we don’t have the will to win.”

    Brady, who was a legendary “Dust Off” air ambulance pilot in Vietnam and detailed his experiences in his book, “Dead Men Flying: Victory in Viet Nam,” said, “The problem is military people will seldom, while on duty, go on the record over such issues, and many will not ever, no matter how true.

    Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/10/top-gener...ZIqE8kfWDmW.99
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaintLouieWoman View Post
    Something strange is going on.
    There is something strange going on.

    Stalin and Hitler conducted similar purges of those who they thought were not loyal to their ideologies. The thought by them was that some military officers in a position of command posed the threat of conducting a coup. Admit it or not, the same is happening today.

    I never thought that I would ever see a Nazi-like Geheime Staatspolizei or Schutzstaffel in my country. Today, almost every Federal agency has an armed contingent. Even the USDA and EPA! The Department of Education is using the Common Core curriculum to brainwash the youngest children.

    It started with the "progressive" Presidents Teddy Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson, and we see the fruit of the tree today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arroyo_Doble View Post
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