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    Quote Originally Posted by noonwitch View Post
    If gays only comprise 1-3% of the population, why is it such a threat to society to let them get married?
    Because "gay" marriage completely remakes the institution of marriage and the legal arguments to obtain it have made marriage a "civil right" for the individual, not an institution for the protection of children. Re-interpreting marriage as a "civil right" will support those who want polygamy when they finally get their movement going in a serious way.

    This remaking of the institution would be true no matter how large the percentage of gays there were and in terms of the underlying legal logic, the actual number of gays makes no difference. However, the number of gays did make a difference to the American public: people are more inclined to support change if the group needing the change is perceived as a significant portion of society. That may not be legally fair, but that is how politics works.

    For years, the GLBT community has used a 10% figure to inflate the significance of their group, their movement, and the perception of a civil rights travesty. This was a strategy to convince people that there was really a problem for a significant portion of society. If the public knew that the actual figure was closer to 1%, they might have had different ideas on how to deal with the issue.

    Activists in general create or embroider "facts" in order to get public support. We have now seen two such "embroideries": the Matthew Shepard case (a GLBT-internal murder involving meth) and now the number of actual GLBTs for which this nation has turned its laws upside down.

    It is possible that the American judiciary would have granted "gay marriage" no matter what the percentage of GLBTs, but the American people might have reacted differently and might have protested more effectively and with more conviction.
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    It used to be men were men and women were women and gays were in the closet. It worked and there was less turmoil. Why did we let the loonies out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by patriot45 View Post
    It used to be men were men and women were women and gays were in the closet. It worked and there was less turmoil. Why did we let the loonies out?
    I wonder why they used closets, a fruit cellar would have been better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    You mean to prevent discrimination against Jews?
    This is a false analogy.

    Nobody had to overturn laws to prevent discrimination against Jews. We were perfectly capable of competing on our own.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    This is a false analogy.

    Nobody had to overturn laws to prevent discrimination against Jews. We were perfectly capable of competing on our own.




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    Until it was decided in WWII and other times that Jews would not have rights no matter what. Don't think you never have to demand your rights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    This is a false analogy.

    Nobody had to overturn laws to prevent discrimination against Jews.
    Explain how you have convinced yourself of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    Stop peeing in gay bars.
    Good idea. I still want my own restroom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanie View Post
    Until it was decided in WWII and other times that Jews would not have rights no matter what. Don't think you never have to demand your rights.
    Exactly what rights do I have that gays don't?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NJCardFan View Post
    Exactly what rights do I have that gays don't?
    Eventually the answer will be "None." Today, it varies with geography.
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