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11-09-2013, 01:44 PM
Originally Posted by noonwitch View Post
If gays only comprise 1-3% of the population, why is it such a threat to society to let them get married?
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11-10-2013, 07:58 AM
I'm upset that I am not allowed to have an opposite sex domestic partner and add her to my health insurance without being married. Even in states where gay marriage and civil unions are legal that is not a requirement for same sex domestic partners. If I was gay I could add my same sex domestic partner and his/her/it's children to my policy. It's a clear case of favoritism for gays. Of course they do limit you from changing partners on your policy more then twice a year. That could be a problem in both situations.
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11-10-2013, 01:22 PM
Uh, we're talking in the US, not Germany, Lanie.
Well, aside from the fact that it's true? America has never had the kind of de jure antisemitism that you find in European or Arab countries. For one thing, the absence of a state religion and the prohibition on religious tests for office freed us to compete. That's not to say that there wasn't antisemitism in specific institutions or professions; the Ivy League schools established quotas specifically to reduce the number of Jews admitted, because Jews tended to meet objective standards of admission at a higher rate than other groups. In fact, one of the major schisms between Jews and blacks is the use of quotas in affirmative action, specifically because these discriminate against Jews to a far greater extent than they do other whites.
Now, I will concede that being gay was, until very recently, illegal, and you were subjected to discrimination, but redefining marriage in order to accommodate your self-esteem issues is simply an attack on the societal norms that gay activists (and other leftists) see as a threat, not to equality, but to hegemony in the culture. Even terms like "heteronormativity" seek to undermine the societal norms by casting them as suspect in light of a liberation movement, but the norms of society are just that, norms. It is one thing to say that gays should be allowed to pursue their own relationships, another to demand that those relationships be accorded legal equality to marriage, and therefore to redefine marriage to the point where it becomes so elastic that it no longer has any meaning.
And when that happens, the resulting sexual chaos will have driven birthrates to the point where we can no longer maintain our own society.--Odysseus
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11-10-2013, 03:27 PM
You mean apart from covenants banning sales of homes to Jews, commercial and private clubs which don't allow Jews, the notion of the international Jewish banking conspiracy, the general association of Jews with communism (and surely you aren't kidding yourself that the right wing indictment of the ACLU doesn't have an unspoken component), the association of Jewish doctors with abortions, acts of violence and vandalism towards Jews ... just what kind of fantasy world are you living in?
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in Canada
Billy Graham and Nixon
By Cathy Lynn Grossman, USA TODAY
A 1973 conversation between President Nixon and evangelist Billy Graham about Jews, laden with critical references including a Biblical verse on the "synagogue of Satan," has put the aging, frail Graham back in unwelcome headlines
Housing
Richard Ornstein, a Jewish refugee from Austria, contracted to purchase a home for his family in the Sand Point Country Club area of Seattle in late 1952. Unknown to both Ornstein and the seller, the property’s deed contained a neighborhood-wide restrictive covenant barring the sale or rental of the home to non-Whites and people of Jewish descent.
http://depts.washington.edu/civilr/covenants_report.htm
country clubs (wiki)
Country clubs aimed to retain ethnic characteristics and intended to distinguish “those who are in from those who are out.”[44] Although diversity is becoming more apparent within the gates of country clubs, it has been a slow process. Clubs constantly denied admission to Jews, regardless of background or wealth.[45] In 1962 Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith inspected 803 country clubs and found only 224 clubs to be nondiscriminatory.[46] The majority of the clubs inspected excluded Jews while others had quotas, which prevented Jewish sub-culture from forming within a country club.[47] However, this resulted in the formation of exclusively Jewish country clubs, further perpetuating the problem of segregation.
Discrimination Against Jews in Employment Reported in Cincinnati
August 26, 1958
CINCINNATI (Aug. 25)
Discrimination against Jews seeking employment in firms owned by non-Jews is “a widespread problem” in this area, according to a report submitted here to a state commission investigating the status of civil rights in Ohio.
The evidence of discrimination was submitted to Gov. O’Neill’s Advisory Commission on Civil Rights by the Jewish Community Relations Council of Cincinnati. The Governor’s commission sat here to discuss questions involving employment of minority groups in the area. The commission was set up last April to study the status of civil rights in Ohio. It has made employment discrimination its first order of business.
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11-10-2013, 03:48 PM
Ummm show me the last time Jewish business in the U.S. were seized by the Federal Government?
Or maybe you can point out the last time Jews in the U.S. had to wear Gold Stars on their clothing with the word "Jude" on it.
The shallowness of your understanding of what Ody was trying to say is par for the course.
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11-10-2013, 03:55 PM
This is the framework of the discussion between Ody and me:
Originally Posted by Novaheart
You mean to prevent discrimination against Jews?
ODY - This is a false analogy.
Nobody had to overturn laws to prevent discrimination against Jews. We were perfectly capable of competing on our own.
Your comment is not relevant.
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11-10-2013, 04:47 PM
You left out this important part...which makes my answer very relevant.
America has never had the kind of de jure antisemitism that you find in European or Arab countries
You couldn't answer so you deflected.
Typical.
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