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    Quote Originally Posted by Elspeth View Post
    It might be, but look at the small print.

    You have to understand that a lot of us are covering things we don't need. As a Californian, I am covering San Francisco whores, gay couples' "fertility" treatments, transgender sex-reassignment surgery, and substance abuse treatment, which is usually unsuccessful after the first try. Being not prostitute, homosexual, hopelessly confused about my gender, or a drug addict or drunk, I resent the fact that my insurance has gone up over 100% (yes, for real) to pay for these issues.

    Prostitution should be covered under worker's comp, since their health problems usually emerge directly from their profession. Pimps should be required to regularly contribute to the state fund, regardless of prostitution's legality, to cover AZT, Valtrex, antibiotics, hospital visits (from pimp beatings), and prenatal care since these are all direct "occupational hazards" of the job. Gay "fertility" should not be covered at all since it is not a health issue. Substance abuse is best prevented not treated, and any "treatment" program needs to have less than a 10% recidivism rate before being funded.
    I have mentioned in several posts that I now have to pay for coverage for items that I don't need or due to my gender can't use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobJohnson View Post
    I have mentioned in several posts that I now have to pay for coverage for items that I don't need or due to my gender can't use.
    I'll bet I'm covering your prostate exam and, potentially, your Viagra. At least in California. My state taxes are certainly covering Viagra for convicted felons.

    Please understand, I'm with you on this. Males should not have to pay for prenatal care; that's ludicrous. But females should not have to cover prostate exams or Viagra, and NO ONE should have to cover whores, gay "fertility" treatments, or transgender sex reassignments.

    Somewhere, the architects of this plan are laughing at all of us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanie View Post
    Just like people are paying for insurance now under Obamacare. It's not free. Bush's plan did cost tax payers money.
    Are you sure it was Bush's plan?

    Of course once President Bush signed the bill, the Democrats wanted a more expensive version:

    Even before he signed the legislation, Democrats stepped up their criticism.

    House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi of California, Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass., and other opponents scheduled a rally with seniors to underscore their claim the measure threatens Medicare's future.

    "Many people will wake up and discover that the Medicare bill is a cruel hoax," Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., told reporters Sunday. "It does not provide the kind of benefits that they had hoped for, and it will lead to the undermining of Medicare traditionally."
    From your link: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-579645.html

    It's called compromise. The Democrats did not like private plans being offered to seniors, and these private plans have been able to offer more coverage, with less costs to the government and in many cases Medicare Advantage Plan holders are able to see their primary doctor for a zero co pay under these plans that Hillary hated so much!

    Beginning in 2010, the bill provides for a six-year program under which new private plans will compete directly with traditional Medicare in a few areas around the country.

    Critics said it will lead to Medicare being put under private control. Even some of the bill's Republican supporters, hoping to shield seniors from the possibility of higher premiums, lobbied to have their states exempted from the test.
    What Bush did to Medicare was true reform.

    What Clinton did to Medicaid with the help of the Republican Congress was also reform, but those reforms have now been eliminated by President Obama.

    The biggest threat to Medicare is all the liberals that decided they no longer want to work for a living as they suck up disability payments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobJohnson View Post
    Obamacare is sexist. It offers more care to females then men, while men have to help pay for the equalization of cost. It's like a bad marriage.

    Out of the list of preventive care, I already had more then that under my OLD HEALTH PLAN Under the new plans, I have LESS preventative care and women have a considerable amount more then any men do. Is that fair? Is that reform? Are the democrats simply trying to buy votes?
    I thought all the preventive care for men was covered, but if not, then we're going to have to fix that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobJohnson View Post
    Are you sure it was Bush's plan?

    Of course once President Bush signed the bill, the Democrats wanted a more expensive version:



    From your link: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-579645.html

    It's called compromise. The Democrats did not like private plans being offered to seniors, and these private plans have been able to offer more coverage, with less costs to the government and in many cases Medicare Advantage Plan holders are able to see their primary doctor for a zero co pay under these plans that Hillary hated so much!
    Hmmmm. I guess I'll need to read more about who came up with what. In any case, it would have been nearly impossible to pass without Bush's signing it.


    Quote Originally Posted by RobJohnson View Post
    The biggest threat to Medicare is all the liberals that decided they no longer want to work for a living as they suck up disability payments.
    Most people who apply for disability get turned down the first time, maybe the first two times. I have heard it's easier to get disability if you pretend to have mental problems that hinder your ability to work. I don't know how often those cases are real and how often they're bullcrap.

    In any case, would you like to know what conservative originally said about Medicare (they program they want to save now)? They said it was a Socialist program. Reagan said it was pretty much a trap to bringing us into socialized medicine. That was long before he was President.
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    Just FYI, I am trying to get as much information as possible about what is actually covered. Here are some links that I am reading at the moment:

    Covered California: Website for Obamacare in CA

    U.S. Preventive Services Task Force: USPSTF A and B Recommendations (Preventative Care requirements)

    State of Connecticut: Coverage for Essential Health Benefit (EHB)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elspeth View Post
    I'll bet I'm covering your prostate exam and, potentially, your Viagra. At least in California. My state taxes are certainly covering Viagra for convicted felons.

    Please understand, I'm with you on this. Males should not have to pay for prenatal care; that's ludicrous. But females should not have to cover prostate exams or Viagra, and NO ONE should have to cover whores, gay "fertility" treatments, or transgender sex reassignments.

    Somewhere, the architects of this plan are laughing at all of us.
    ED drugs are not covered in most states. In rare occasions you see an insurance company, or even a workman's comp company cover them.

    The work comp is due to medication causing ED issues. Tricare used to cover Viagra, I think they are only covering a couple others now.

    Now that they are finding out that ED drugs work in some cases for circulation issues that are of a non sexual nature there are a few cases in which insurance companies are starting to cover the drugs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elspeth View Post
    I'll bet I'm covering your prostate exam and, potentially, your Viagra. At least in California. My state taxes are certainly covering Viagra for convicted felons.

    Please understand, I'm with you on this. Males should not have to pay for prenatal care; that's ludicrous. But females should not have to cover prostate exams or Viagra, and NO ONE should have to cover whores, gay "fertility" treatments, or transgender sex reassignments.

    Somewhere, the architects of this plan are laughing at all of us.
    In the past my private plan covered prostate exams for men, annual physicals and blood work for both sexes and financial incentives for doing such, and the normal important routine screenings for women that are very important. Early detection is very important. Insurance companies were already doing this as it saved them money in the long run, we did not need a law for this. Now the gov't is involved and it's all screwed up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanie View Post
    I thought all the preventive care for men was covered, but if not, then we're going to have to fix that.
    One exam. The same exam that was already covered by insurance companies before the law. What good does the exam do if you find out you have prostate cancer and you can't afford your deductible or out of pocket expense for treatment?

    Do you consider a free abortion for women preventative care?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanie View Post
    Hmmmm. I guess I'll need to read more about who came up with what. In any case, it would have been nearly impossible to pass without Bush's signing it.




    Most people who apply for disability get turned down the first time, maybe the first two times. I have heard it's easier to get disability if you pretend to have mental problems that hinder your ability to work. I don't know how often those cases are real and how often they're bullcrap.

    In any case, would you like to know what conservative originally said about Medicare (they program they want to save now)? They said it was a Socialist program. Reagan said it was pretty much a trap to bringing us into socialized medicine. That was long before he was President.

    Medicare is a socialist program. Too many people have been paying into it for years to simply just end it with a stroke of a pen.
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