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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    I am not making an assumption at all. He is indeed 64 years old. He is indeed retiring according to his ad. He is also making a political statement. All true.
    But would he have chosen to retire at 64 if he didn't feel that the profession was no longer worth the effort? A good friend of my father's is an opthamologist in his late 70s. He is closing his practice because he cannot find anyone to take it over, which hurts him tremendously, as he had a great practice in Manhattan, where he owned his offices and saw it as an investment. He would have sold the office and given his patient list to a buyer, and retired on the proceeds. Instead, he cannot find a buyer specifically because new doctors don't want to risk the investment if they are going to be screwed by Obamacare.

    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    My physician in the 1980's died in a car accident in 1986. Shit happens.
    I had to switch doctors when Megabank changed plans from United to Humana. Life goes on.
    Soon I will have to switch doctors because I am moving. Big deal.

    Yes, I have a chronic borderline acute condition. The doctors I see are competent, not miraculous.
    This is the 2013 equivalent of "Let them eat cake."

    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    There are still no other paycheck jobs which have the earning potential that a doctor has.

    Medicine is changing. Years from now, you might not have doctors in sole proprietorship, sole operator businesses any more. Before Obama was even known outside of Chicago my doctors were forming their corporate and cooperative practice. They were sharing patient information. They were referring patients within their buddy circle.

    How many times will people fall for this crap? How long ago was it that the impending doom of doctors leaving the ob-gyn practice was a certainty in conservative circles. Has it happened? No. It hasn't happened. And it won't happen as long as there are doctors being graduated from colleges at rates lower than need. How stupid is the American public not to figure out that one?

    Your new doctor is Dr. Ahok Krishna Mahindra and he's quite pleased to make $250K/yr and live in a waterfront home with a BMW in the driveway and money to send home to Visakhapatnam.
    The difference now is that doctors aren't simply combining their practices, they are leaving the profession. Dr. Mahindra may decide that being forced into a Medicaid collective and halving his salary isn't worth the effort and go back to Visakhapatnam. In fact, given that India's economy is booming while ours is stagnating, his intern, Dr. Goldstein, may decide to go with him.

    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    Clearly we are doing something wrong in the US. In countries where kids grow up in houses with too many people and no air conditioning, they grow up and want to be a doctor. In the US, we raise our children in suburban tract homes with two rooms per person and air conditioning, and they want to grow up and be on The Voice.
    We've sold celebrity as a goal, rather than accomplishment. Millenials don't grasp that success takes time and effort, so they look for quick fixes and longshots. We see this in ghettos, where urban kids hope to grow up to be professional athletes, entertainers or thugs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elspeth View Post
    The question is not whether he is retiring, but whether he would have retired at 64 instead of keeping his practice open another 5 or 6 years if Obamacare hadn't gone through.

    But then you know that.
    I'm consistently amazed at the people who claim to know a doctor's job better than he does, or who claim to know what is best for 300 million Americans, but who don't know the first thing about their neighbors except that they feel smugly superior to them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rockntractor View Post
    Around here another Dr. goes to work for the practice and everything transitions over to him, they don't usually just close a practice.
    Unless they can't find a buyer. See above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ABC in Georgia View Post
    Wasn't going to post this, as am trying not to get myself all upset, but ...

    I have a feeling this is about to get worse, not just for us, but for millions of other Americans.

    That notice in the paper, is close to the wording that we received last week in the mail from Mr. ABC's GP. (not mine so far, we have different GP's.)

    This doc, has quit and now Mr. ABC is on his own as a Medicare patient, and must find another to take him on as a new patient. Not so easy to do living in a tiny town in North Georgia on the border of NC. Not enough doctors, let alone ones able/willing to take on new patients.

    The problem is ... this doctor was the one who was monitoring him for leukemia due to his his erratic WBC and sending the results to a cancer blood specialist in yet another tiny town up here.

    As far as we know, meaning we have heard nothing yet, from his Cancer Laser surgeon up in Knoxville Tn. that is treating his esophagus ...

    We are crossing our fingers that he will still be able to go there for his treatments.

    Who knows what will happen and where we will go from here?
    Very sad to read this.

    My mother's PCP broke his contract and retired early after selling out to a medical group and over a year later she is just getting settled in with a new PCP that she is comfortable with. We also have a doctor shortage. My doctor retired in the middle of treating me as he had enough and was moving out of state and going to retire, he still had kids in school here. It took 16 weeks for an appointment with his replacement then I still had to decide on a PCP. His replacement also kept shorter office hours. If you are sick you simply pay more and go to urgent care and spend some time in the waiting room. Appointments are out of the question for acute care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    There are still no other paycheck jobs which have the earning potential that a doctor has.
    Not true.


    Your new doctor is Dr. Ahok Krishna Mahindra and he's quite pleased to make $250K/yr and live in a waterfront home with a BMW in the driveway and money to send home to Visakhapatnam
    You really have a fixation on where people live or what they drive. Class welfare much?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    My physician in the 1980's died in a car accident in 1986. Shit happens.
    I had to switch doctors when Megabank changed plans from United to Humana. Life goes on.
    Soon I will have to switch doctors because I am moving. Big deal.

    Yes, I have a chronic borderline acute condition. The doctors I see are competent, not miraculous.
    Good luck on your big deal. You are a heartless bastard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobJohnson View Post
    Not true.
    Which other degree has the guaranteed income of an MD?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobJohnson View Post
    Not true.




    You really have a fixation on where people live or what they drive. Class welfare much?
    I think you mean class warfare, and the thread topic has to do with doctors and their income. The markers of success that I listed are what you buy with and therefore interchangeable with that income.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    Which other degree has the guaranteed income of an MD?
    You made the assumption, prove I am wrong.

    Now you added the word degree? Keep moving goalposts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    I think you mean class warfare, and the thread topic has to do with doctors and their income. The markers of success that I listed are what you buy with and therefore interchangeable with that income.
    I can buy a BMW for less then most SUVs. You have a fixation on ocean front property and BMWs. I know people that have both and they are not doctors.

    Get over yourself, Nova.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobJohnson View Post
    Very sad to read this.
    Thanks Rob, Guess this time Mr. O's "bump in the road" is meant for we mere citizens ...

    On the way to his fundamental transformation of the country. Bastard!

    My mother's PCP broke his contract and retired early after selling out to a medical group and over a year later she is just getting settled in with a new PCP that she is comfortable with.
    Bless her heart, am glad that she finally found one. Is much more than an inconvenience as you get on in age, is quite unsettling to say the least!

    Mercy! Sixteen weeks for you to get an appointment with your doc's replacement? You might just as well be living in Canada or the UK.

    "Ain't life grand," and getting even grander by the day under this administration?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobJohnson View Post
    I can buy a BMW for less then most SUVs. You have a fixation on ocean front property and BMWs. I know people that have both and they are not doctors.

    Get over yourself, Nova.
    I can't tell you how pleased I am to hear it.
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