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  1. #1 What Happened When North Carolina Slashed Unemployment Benefits? 
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    People Got Jobs…Weird

    A recent report on Market Watch—hardly a right-wing hangout—should be required reading for every Democrat who believes that extending “temporary” unemployment benefits is always the humane thing to do.

    An experiment in North Carolina indicates that—as is all too often the case—Democrats actually may be hurting the very people they claim to be helping in their quest, temporarily halted, to extend unemployment benefits.

    North Carolina, it seems, pressed for money and under the cruel sway of a Republican governor, resorted to drastic measures: slashing unemployment benefits and, as if that wasn’t draconian enough, cutting the number of weeks the unemployed could receive even these meager benefits.

    “Within several months, the unemployment rate fell a few ticks and by November it fell to a five-year low,” Market Watch reported. The jobless rates declined similarly, if less spectacularly, in Georgia and South Carolina, where benefits were also reduced in 2012.

    Market Watch was cautious not to conclude that the news from North Carolina is a vindication of critics of extending unemployment benefits. It noted that several states that did not cut benefits had also shown a decline in joblessness.

    Nevertheless the North Carolina experience deserves a look. What happened in North Carolina is even more relevant because the state was particularly hard hit during the Great Recession. In dire straits, North Carolina availed itself of federal loans to help pay for unemployment benefits, which lasted 26 weeks.

    When North Carolina ended up seriously in hock to the feds, Republican Governor Pat McCrory, who took office in 2013, faced a choice: raise taxes, a course of action McCrory maintained would harm businesses (which, after all, create jobs) or cut unemployment benefits. The brave governor cut benefits.
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    make the right thing easy and the wrong thing hard.
    If you like your congress crittets you can keep them. If you don't, you know what to do.
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    But then the benefits were about to expire and the wolf is at the door: Mr. Wolf makes you lose your pickiness and take any job you can get. For me, it was a job I didn't really want but which turned out to be a long-term, life blessing. I am so glad I took it, but I might have spurned the offer if the benefits hadn’t stopped.

    I hope that the next time unemployment benefits come up in Washington—and believe me, the issue will come up again—the Republicans will remember North Carolina and make an argument that is both moral and utilitarian. We shouldn’t be trying to “pay for” a “benefit” that keeps people on the dole.
    If you pay people to stay home most likely they are going to stay home. They might not even be lazy but they will use the paid time off to do other things.
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    make the right thing easy and the wrong thing hard.
    Yup.
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    It's the same thing that happened in NYC when Giuliani required welfare recipients to demonstrate that they were unable to work or perform labor in return for benefits, and when Congress passed welfare reform in 1994 (which Clinton vetoed twice before signing). The safety net becomes a hammock all too easily.
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    First of all, a lack of unemployment does not mean those people found jobs. If they found jobs, that doesn't mean they were full time. A VR rep in North Carolina informed me that most jobs were part time.

    Next, if the governor or other NC Republicans tell you they cut taxes and leave it at that, they're only telling half of the truth. They cut taxes being taken out of the paycheck to about 5.8 percent for everybody instead of the three tier system. That sounds fair until you consider the fact that they took away a lot of the tax breaks for the working class and middle class in favor of cutting corporate taxes.

    http://www.charlotteobserver.com/201...-start-in.html

    Already quoted this article elsewhere, so I don't do it again.

    — Eliminates $4,000 deduction on government retirement income and $2,000 on private retirement income
    Limits itemized deductions originating from mortgage interest and property taxes combined to $20,000.
    — Remains at current combined state and local rate, which is 6.75 percent in most counties and slightly higher in others.

    — Expands to include service contracts.

    — Taxes manufactured homes (currently 2 percent or $300 maximum) and modular homes (2.5 percent) at full 4.75 percent state sales tax rate.

    — Repeals exemptions for nutritional supplements sold by chiropractors, certain newspaper sales and food prepared for university dining halls.

    — Replaces 3 percent gross receipts tax for live sporting and entertainment events with the combined state and local sales tax rate, with exceptions for certain arts festivals, agricultural fairs and school events.

    — Replaces 1 percent gross receipts tax on movie tickets with the combined state and local sales tax rate.

    — Changes the tax on electricity come July 1, which could result in higher bills for consumers.
    I don't mind higher rates when I go to the movies or to a sports event, but you see my point. They're practically lying if they just say they cut taxes. The truth is they raised it on the middle class and the working poor by eliminating deductions and exemptions.

    But if you want to drink the kool-aid and come live here, I'll welcome it. You all can live in this hell hole with their Republican taxes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanie View Post
    Next, if the governor or other NC Republicans tell you they cut taxes and leave it at that, they're only telling half of the truth. They cut taxes being taken out of the paycheck to about 5.8 percent for everybody instead of the three tier system. That sounds fair until you consider the fact that they took away a lot of the tax breaks for the working class and middle class in favor of cutting corporate taxes.
    Lower paycheck deductions and closing up exemptions is a smart thing to do, as not everyone has children or owns homes. Everyone then benefits from the lower tax rates in a more equal way.

    Don't forget business owners now pay taxes on the first 50K of earnings due to the exemption being eliminated.



    Quote Originally Posted by Lanie View Post
    First of all, a lack of unemployment does not mean those people found jobs. If they found jobs, that doesn't mean they were full time. A VR rep in North Carolina informed me that most jobs were part time.
    Link?

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    But if you want to drink the kool-aid and come live here, I'll welcome it. You all can live in this hell hole with their Republican taxes.
    This thread is about Unemployment. It sounds like you really hate it there. Sucks to be you.
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    Lower paycheck deductions and closing up exemptions is a smart thing to do, as not everyone has children or owns homes. Everyone then benefits from the lower tax rates in a more equal way.
    Unless you have children, you really don't understand how much of a burden that is. Owning a home is hard enough without the extra taxes.

    Don't forget business owners now pay taxes on the first 50K of earnings due to the exemption being eliminated.
    But yet corporations get a bigger and bigger break. Don't forget that small businesses make up most employment.




    Link?
    I cannot link to what a VR rep told me. However, I'll be happy to give you the phone number to the office and her name in private.

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    Do you have a link that shows that hiring actually went up in NC since the Republicans took over?


    This thread is about Unemployment. It sounds like you really hate it there. Sucks to be you.
    NC is a hell hole right now and I have the NC GOP to thank for that. On the other hand, Kay Hagan and other Dems have made it clear how pro-choice they are. They're going to keep pushing against the good of the people and I'm going to run myself. No seriously, I've considered it. That's how frustrated I am with the poor condition of this state. It's high taxes. The less you make, the worse it is (with people like you defending that garbage).

    In any case, the article is dishonest. They're trying to make it look like joblessness went down because of cut taxes. First of all, those taxes just got cut. We haven't seen the affects of the cuts yet, but the Republicans have until November to prove it's going to work. The Governor has two years. The Governor may make it, but I don't think most of the house reps and senators will. It won't be enough time. Anyway, the tax cuts didn't create less joblessness and cutting unemployment sure didn't stop it. All it did was enable less people to to get help. It's kicking people while they're down. Some people get as little as eight weeks to find another job. In places that aren't near cities, that's nearly impossible.

    The NC GOP is proving every nasty thing ever said about them by the left to be correct. They kick the poor and middle class. They only care about corporations, AND YOU'RE DEFENDING IT. You really want to know why people look at your party as they do? This is why. It's not that Dems hate rich people. Most don't. It's that the policies of the GOP are beyond heartless AND THEY'RE PROUD OF IT. That's nothing to be proud of.

    In any case, tick tock. They don't have much time to prove that their idiotic plan to kick the poor and middle class around is going to work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanie View Post
    Don't forget that small businesses make up most employment..
    Didn't you think all insurance agents should go out of business and we switch to universal care?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanie View Post
    Unless you have children, you really don't understand how much of a burden that is. Owning a home is hard enough without the extra taxes.



    But yet corporations get a bigger and bigger break. Don't forget that small businesses make up most employment.






    I cannot link to what a VR rep told me. However, I'll be happy to give you the phone number to the office and her name in private.



    NC is a hell hole right now and I have the NC GOP to thank for that. On the other hand, Kay Hagan and other Dems have made it clear how pro-choice they are. They're going to keep pushing against the good of the people and I'm going to run myself. No seriously, I've considered it. That's how frustrated I am with the poor condition of this state. It's high taxes. The less you make, the worse it is (with people like you defending that garbage).

    In any case, the article is dishonest. They're trying to make it look like joblessness went down because of cut taxes. First of all, those taxes just got cut. We haven't seen the affects of the cuts yet, but the Republicans have until November to prove it's going to work. The Governor has two years. The Governor may make it, but I don't think most of the house reps and senators will. It won't be enough time. Anyway, the tax cuts didn't create less joblessness and cutting unemployment sure didn't stop it. All it did was enable less people to to get help. It's kicking people while they're down. Some people get as little as eight weeks to find another job. In places that aren't near cities, that's nearly impossible.

    The NC GOP is proving every nasty thing ever said about them by the left to be correct. They kick the poor and middle class. They only care about corporations, AND YOU'RE DEFENDING IT. You really want to know why people look at your party as they do? This is why. It's not that Dems hate rich people. Most don't. It's that the policies of the GOP are beyond heartless AND THEY'RE PROUD OF IT. That's nothing to be proud of.

    In any case, tick tock. They don't have much time to prove that their idiotic plan to kick the poor and middle class around is going to work.

    People with children get HUGE tax breaks at the federal level. Earned Income Tax Credit comes to mind. Having children is a choice, don't want kids? Don't have sex. Why should my tax money pay for someone else's kids? I know you like socialism, you just proved it once again.

    I own a house. I'm not screaming for free money.

    Maybe NC could pass an abortion tax to help the working poor?
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