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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockntractor View Post
    Rights Group Releases Video of LGBT Attacks in Russia

    By CHRISTINE HAUSER




    Human Rights Watch video feature on attacks on LGBT people in Russia. The film contains obscenity and graphic images that may be disturbing to some viewers.


    With just days left until the start on Friday of the Sochi Winter Olympics, Human Rights Watch released a video on Tuesday that highlights the disturbing violence and discrimination that gay, lesbian, transgender and bisexual people face in Russia.
    In a statement accompanying the footage, Human Rights Watch urged the Russian authorities to address the “deteriorating situation” of abuse against LGBT people and activists, saying that a failure to act has exposed them to further harassment and violence and has emboldened attackers.
    “By turning a blind eye to hateful homophobic rhetoric and violence, Russian authorities are sending a dangerous message as the world is about to arrive on its doorstep for the Olympics that there is nothing wrong with attacks on gay people,” said Tanya Cooper, Russia researcher at Human Rights Watch.

    The video is a feature compiled by the rights group to show the attacks that are organized on LGBT people in Russia. The attacks are posted online, mostly by vigilante groups, to humiliate their victims and as propaganda.
    The rights group’s statement on Tuesday said, in part:
    LGBT people face stigma, harassment and violence in their everyday lives in Russia, and LGBT victims of violence and groups told Human Rights Watch that these problems intensified in 2013. Victims in cities including Moscow, St. Petersburg and Novosibirsk told Human Rights Watch they were attacked in public places, abducted, beaten, harassed, threatened and psychologically abused. They told Human Rights Watch that they were afraid to go to the police to report violence, fearing further harassment and believing the police would not bother to pursue their attackers. When victims did lodge complaints with the police, few investigations followed.
    Stuart Elliott of The Times reported last month that activists have been trying to hijack promotions by sponsors of the Sochi Olympics in protest over LGBT discrimination in Russia, particularly a federal law that bans “homosexual propaganda.”
    Last Friday, 40 leading human rights and LGBT groups added their voices to a new protest in the form of a joint letter that urged corporate sponsors to take action to halt “the rising tide of discrimination, harassment and threats” against LGBT people.
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    Why do the alphabet people support socialism/communism over here when they can see what big government systems do to alphabet people in other countries like Russia and China?
    The problems over there are happening because of the culture of homophobia. The truth is a lot of the ideas that Russia proposes (like not allowing gays to adopt) are ideas that supposedly small government people over here are all in favor of. Truth is I saw a poster on here say a while back they're starting to like Russia because of the gay thing and I didn't see one of you all rebuke him. Actually, liberals often say that the GOP is hypocrites. They only CLAIM to want small government. In reality, the GOP is all for big government if it means taking rights away from gay people. Republicans are ALWAYS willing to shove big government down our throats in the name of so called family values (why don't they do something about domestic violence if they care about families so much?). Just know this much, I'm laughing everything you talk about smaller government to me. As far as I'm concerned, most Republicans believe in no such thing.

    As for Russia, I would love it if we'd stop being buddies with them. Besides gays, the Russian government has been lacking in human rights for quite a while now. I got pissed off at the Chechens a while back for attacking them because it puts us in the position of having to treat their government like victims. I am all against terrorism and I hope people who do that get caught and punished. But honestly, the idea of treating Russia like they're Israel makes me sick. The government has ALWAYS wanted tons of control even before they became Communist. They wanted control during Czar years, communist years, "freedom" years, etc. The moment I saw Putin's face, I knew they were in trouble (no, seriously).

    The Netherlands and Canada have bigger government than us and yet have more rights for gays. That's because they're less homophobic over there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apache View Post
    Typical knee-jerk reaction there princess...


    Human Rights Watch doesn't have the best record when reporting "abuse". That, in and of itself, leads me to question the video/s.


    Context of the video/s is missing completely. That should raise red flags everywhere, the language barrier doesn't help matters....


    And finally Jagoff, you don't fucking know me, so take your pink-shirted Nazism and shove it!
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    homophobia is a made up word, used to shut down opposition and stifle debate...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockntractor View Post
    Rights Group Releases Video of LGBT Attacks in Russia

    Why do the alphabet people support socialism/communism over here when they can see what big government systems do to alphabet people in other countries like Russia and China?
    They suffer from the wildly-incorrect delusion that they'll be in charge, come Der Tag.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apache View Post
    homophobia is a made up word, used to shut down opposition and stifle debate...
    Proper debate for a liberal is when both sides speak about how superior and compassionate a liberal position is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apache View Post
    homophobia is a made up word, used to shut down opposition and stifle debate...

    It applies to people who have an irrational fear of homosexuals. Opposing gay marriage does not in and of itself make one homophobic, although I recognize that the left throws that term around like that is the case. A phobia is not a stand on an issue, it's an irrational fear.


    Someone who is homophobic is afraid of gay people, will completely avoid them and deep down, fears being one of them himself. It's a fear that seems to be present in most cultures, and one that the Russian government is currently pushing. I wonder if there is a terrorist attack during the Olympics, if the Russian government or the RO church will try to say it happened because of gays, to justify further actions against them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noonwitch View Post
    It applies to people who have an irrational fear of homosexuals. Opposing gay marriage does not in and of itself make one homophobic, although I recognize that the left throws that term around like that is the case. A phobia is not a stand on an issue, it's an irrational fear.


    Someone who is homophobic is afraid of gay people, will completely avoid them and deep down, fears being one of them himself. It's a fear that seems to be present in most cultures, and one that the Russian government is currently pushing. I wonder if there is a terrorist attack during the Olympics, if the Russian government or the RO church will try to say it happened because of gays, to justify further actions against them.
    Hence... Homophobia is a made up word, used to shut down opposition and stifle debate.


    The' "You're a closeted queer" because you don't do everything I want' argument is also another tactic used to shut down opposition... Gays have enjoyed 2 decades of ever increasing "tolerance and acceptance" but that was never their true goal. They have pushed people too far and people are pushing back. Gays don't know how to react to this new found resistance to their demands...


    I have not said that the video/s are fake. I have questioned (and with good reason) the veracity and context of it/them.... Lord KNOWS that gays have always been forthright in their intentions
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockntractor View Post
    Proper debate for a liberal is when both sides speak about how superior and compassionate a liberal position is.
    That's why Elspeth is a dirtbag...
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    Quote Originally Posted by noonwitch View Post
    It applies to people who have an irrational fear of homosexuals. Opposing gay marriage does not in and of itself make one homophobic, although I recognize that the left throws that term around like that is the case. A phobia is not a stand on an issue, it's an irrational fear.


    Someone who is homophobic is afraid of gay people, will completely avoid them and deep down, fears being one of them himself. It's a fear that seems to be present in most cultures, and one that the Russian government is currently pushing. I wonder if there is a terrorist attack during the Olympics, if the Russian government or the RO church will try to say it happened because of gays, to justify further actions against them.
    It's an "Own the language, own the argument" psychobabble word, that literally just means 'Fear of Man(kind)." It is as misapplied as the daily accusations against people who say something against any member of another nationality, language, or religion as 'Racist.' The usage you give it in your second paragraph illustrates that unique dichotomy of Liberal thinking that allows the speaker to despise people who regard a thing as deviant, abnormal, or repugnant while simultaneously implying that the same thing is a deviant, abnormal, or repugnant thing in the language you use to condemn them.

    Perhaps there is a biological or cultural-survival reason that the 'Fear' is present in most cultures, though 'Rejection' would probably be a more appropriate word, since it seems fairly unlikely that most people in most cultures throughout history have actually been afraid that they might be gay themselves. After all, if gay advocates can prattle on about some mythical 'Gay gene,' isn't it equally likely, or equally unlikely, that there is an 'Anti-gay gene?'
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    Quote Originally Posted by DumbAss Tanker View Post
    After all, if gay advocates can prattle on about some mythical 'Gay gene,' isn't it equally likely, or equally unlikely, that there is an 'Anti-gay gene?'
    There is no "gay gene". If there were, it would've been gone after the first generation, since by its very existence, it couldn't be passed on. Dazzle them with science but don't actually LOOK at the science...
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