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05-08-2014, 11:41 AM
Alas, I was mistaken...
There was a very good reason I didn't respond to that long winded, factually fractured, willfully ignorant pile of mental vomit you posted and instead decided to try and break it down one piece at a time to get a better picture of what I was dealing with - someone who was ignorant and did not have proper perspective of the strategic impact of sending a fully armed warship into an occupied port and the strategic significance of the presence of an Amphibious Command Ship sitting in a port further south, or, someone who is so arrogantly stupid that it borders on the psychotic. While ignorance can be corrected, there is no known cure for stupidity.
You have, DUmmie, made it crystal clear which one you are.
As such, after I'm done shredding how much you feel you know in this post, I'm done with you.
What is your experience and perspective on these matters, diabetus? Never mind, you've already demonstrated them...
Now, where were we? Oh, I remember! You were proving the maxim that those who speak with the most obnoxious bluster are normally the ones who know the least.
why wait until it is in torpedo range to "force" it to surface...
We are no longer in the 1940's, submarines don't have to get dangerously close to "fire a torpedo", nor do they have to give their position away in such a dramatically stupid fashion.
Point being is submarines are designed to stay hidden, even after firing torpedoes, because the ocean can be a bit tough to see through - especially if you have a good skipper that knows how to run and make like a hole in the water. Our sonar suites are the best in the world and they can hear whales farting miles away, but a good diesel/electric submarine driver can hide for a little while. Which, if you're as good at "google" as you think you are, makes the Song Class skipper's decision to surface in the middle of a battle group a really stupid one unless he had a catastrophic failure (batteries drained, O2 system failure, etc) or he had been chased out of the water by one of the group's undersea escorts. Didn't I mention this already?
Had they sent pictures from their periscope of our Carrier and her escorts, that would have been cause for alarm. Surfacing in the middle of the group? Not so much.
...since you with all your insider knowledge/access to classified info know for a fact that it was forced to surface
Or you could ruck up and ride ships for 22 years like I did.
the captain of the Chinese sub also could have known that the commander of the CVBG wasn't about to start a world war by sinking a Chinese naval vessel, or it was just a Chinese PR ploy since they also know the US navy is rational enough to not randomly start a war by attacking a submarine..
The Captain of the Chinese submarine doesn't know dick about what anyone will do when he decides to surface next to another nation's aircraft carrier in the middle of a war game. And, if he hazarded his command off of that kind of assumption, he most certainly didn't live to see his next birthday.
US Battle Group Commanders have lots of leeway when it comes to protecting thousands of lives and billions of dollars worth of hardware in the middle of the open ocean. I can guarantee you that entire battle group went straight to Condition I (Google it) and there were multiple weapons systems trained on that Song Class submarine. Why am I so sure? Because I've gotten the chance to play "tag" with the commie dickheads (Soviet and otherwise) out in the Pacific (on more than one occasion) to similar outcomes. Had that Chinese Captain so much as twitched the wrong way, that sub would have hit the bottom faster than you can say "Damn, I really don't have a clue about any of this".
The most likely explanation is that he was trying to shadow the Battle Group and got caught under the water longer than his batteries allowed. A secondary, and extremely plausible, explanation is that he screwed up and a US fast attack boat drove him to the surface. While the policy put out for consumption by the public is that the United States does not engage in what know-nothing thumb suckers (you) would consider to be provocative actions with a nuclear powered submarine, the reality is much different. If you have enough intellectual curiosity, you'll learn that there's almost as much bump and run under the water as there is on a racetrack, Google-san. Which can, surprise-surprise, force a submarine to the surface in order to get away.
Bottom line? The Chinese Captain tried to be slick, but instead got his dick stepped on for his efforts. Yeah, I'm positive about that.
Oh, a PR ploy?
We're talking about the Red Chinese, kid, not obama's sideshow. If they wanted PR points against us using a submarine, it would have been periscope video/pictures, splashed across the world, of the aft lookout picking his nose. Whatever resultant propaganda pushed by the communist media about this was for the consumption of mush-minded fools, like you, who don't know any better and won't listen to anyone but themselves.
It has the same significance as flying MREs to Ukraine. In other words, none... the conflict was already over by the time they got there.
Bravo, DUmmie, bravo....
The Veterans of Afghanistan and Iraq would certainly disagree with your position that there is no danger once major combat operations have ended. For that matter, I would invite you to put yourself in the middle of a gathering of them and convince them there was no danger - and I can arrange a meeting with quite a few if you would like to lecture them about what you read on Google.
[B] Not to mention...S Ossetia and Abkhazia to this day are not Georgian
so the "middle finger" did nothing but say please give me my humvees back."
In parting I bid thee well, DUmbass, and suggest you try and stick to those things about which you might have a clue... And take your smelly sock with you.
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05-08-2014, 12:34 PM
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Of course you have daily priorities. You are clearly an intelligent, even tempered guy clearly. I do as well, but it is fun to hear you try and fail over and over again to defend an indefensible position. It is even more fun to see you get flustered as you desperately flail and deflect to completely irrelevant subjects, like this entire thing about China. Yes. An amphibious command ship was off the coast of port occupied by the Russians. They did not leave the port, or as you so eloquently put it, pull back into Russia or the two former regions of georgia they had taken. They did nothing in response to it. Your own post says that "Considering the Russians didn't leave the port of Poti until the middle of September (that's the occupied port the USS McFaul pulled into in August)." So yes, according to you, the great wasp69, the presence of the ship did nothing. And yes, the war was over, unless you think there was some kind of Russian insurgency/guerrilla war going on. As far as your resume goes, great, you were in the navy. I sincerely congratulate you for being in the navy. Good job. Thank you for telling me what you think happened with an irrelevant chinese sub, and what your online buddies also think happened. It's great to know that you just write what you think happened, instead of what actually happened. Who needs anything like proof or evidence, right? Also, yes. Bring me a group of GWOT vets so I can talk to them about what happened in Georgia in 2008, that will help, or it will just be irrelevant as all the nice attempts to insult me you posted here.
I can post pictures in a thread too!
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