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    Vietnam vets with PTSD were 18-year-olds who didn’t know what they were doing.

    During a recent interview with Marie Claire, Sen. John McCain’s (R-AZ) wife Cindy suggested that her husband has never had PTSD symptoms because “he was trained.” She also added that symptoms such as “cold sweats in the middle of the night” are reserved for the “the 18-year-olds who were drafted”:

    Q: You met your husband after his POW days. To what extent is that still with you - or is it a part of history?

    McCAIN: My husband will be the first one to tell you that that’s in the past. Certainly it’s a part of who he is, but he doesn’t dwell on it. It’s not part of a daily experience that we experience or anything like that. But it has shaped him. It has made him the leader that he is.

    Q: But no cold sweats in the middle of the night?

    McCAIN: Oh, no, no, no, no, no. My husband, he’d be the first one to tell you that he was trained to do what he was doing. The guys who had the trouble were the 18-year-olds who were drafted. He was trained, he went to the Naval Academy, he was a trained United States naval officer, and so he knew what he was doing.


    http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/09/...draftees-ptsd/
    At Coretta Scott King's funeral in early 2006, Ethel Kennedy, the widow of Robert Kennedy, leaned over to him and whispered, "The torch is being passed to you." "A chill went up my spine," Obama told an aide. (Newsweek)
     

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    There is a lot of truth to that. Being able to to keep one's sanity there was not just mental toughness, but a lot of training to give you the tools to know what to do to handle the stress. Do you think the pow's that started communicating by tap code did so out of some instinct? The communication aspect is what saved many of them.

    6 weeks of boot camp can only give you the basics of physical survival.
     

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    LP has never served in the military. Cindy McCain is right. Officers do get much more reinforcement and training to deal with battlefield trauma. Coping skills increase resilience.

    Here is one report;

    Higher rank associated with less severe PTSD symptoms.
    Examined the relationship between rank and type of trauma exposure and subsequent PTSD symptoms.

    Empirical Research Concerning Stress and Both PTSD and Other (Non-PTSD) Health Problems
     

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    Yep - never served, but I wonder how this makes people coming home from the Middle East - trying to apply for PTSD care? Does it help their cause in trying not to be ignored by the Pentagon?
    At Coretta Scott King's funeral in early 2006, Ethel Kennedy, the widow of Robert Kennedy, leaned over to him and whispered, "The torch is being passed to you." "A chill went up my spine," Obama told an aide. (Newsweek)
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by LogansPapa View Post
    Yep - never served, but I wonder how this makes people coming home from the Middle East - trying to apply for PTSD care? Does it help their cause in trying not to be ignored by the Pentagon?
    I don't think it affects it one single bit. I would think that they have doctors and psychiatrists and psychologists determining these things, not the wives of presidential candidates, nor internet political junkies.
     

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    Don't be so rough on LP...he has it really tough, trying to pass a ThinkProgress article off as election news instead of a partisan attack. (Of course, he failed...)
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    In actual dollars, President Obama’s $4.4 trillion in deficit spending in just three years is 37 percent higher than the previous record of $3.2 trillion (held by President George W. Bush) in deficit spending for an entire presidency. It’s no small feat to demolish an 8-year record in just 3 years.

    Under Obama’s own projections, interest payments on the debt are on course to triple from 2010 (his first budgetary year) to 2018, climbing from $196 billion to $685 billion annually.
     

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    +holy crap. I love it when people try to say that they are NOT leftist when they constantly use leftist sources. I mean CNN and the rest are one thing - thinkprogress and that ilk are another.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliCon View Post
    I love it when people try to say that they are NOT leftist when they constantly use leftist sources.
    Example of this please.
    At Coretta Scott King's funeral in early 2006, Ethel Kennedy, the widow of Robert Kennedy, leaned over to him and whispered, "The torch is being passed to you." "A chill went up my spine," Obama told an aide. (Newsweek)
     

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    A lot about dealing with with PTSD also has to do with the person and his life experience before the trauma. This is something that I have dealt with since 1993. I have eschewed treatment because all treatment of PTSD involves medication and I do not even take asprin, So I have dealt with it my own way. Mainly, not sleeping. If I keep my amount of sleep under 4 hours I am fine. Anymore than that, the demons come and they stay for about a week or so. Over the 15 years since I started suffering from this I have learned to live just fine and 3-4 hours of sleep is normal and refreshing for me. It was also a handy skill in prison where everyone who fucked with me knew I could stay awake longer than they could.

    John McCain went through traumatic events before his capture. He was set on fire by explosions on the USS Forrestal. He was shot down twice before he was captured after the third shootdown. It hardened him in a way that allowed him to survive.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by LogansPapa View Post
    Yep - never served, but I wonder how this makes people coming home from the Middle East - trying to apply for PTSD care? Does it help their cause in trying not to be ignored by the Pentagon?
    One does not "apply" for PTSD. You have to be diagnosed with it. Along with that diagnosis comes treatment. There are some who claim this malady who are career malingerers. These are the ones I'd like exposed and made a public spectacle. They dishonor the real heroes who have real problems.:mad:
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