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  1. #1 What Conservatives Fear Most Is a Well Educated America 
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    What Conservatives Fear Most Is a Well Educated America
    Conservatives are terrified of a well-educated populace, and for over a year the terror du jour is Common Core that the great majority of conservative Christian fear-mongers have little-to-no comprehension of what it entails. However, what they think they know is that because it was introduced while the Black man is President, it must be another inherently evil plot to transform their children into homosexuals, radical feminists, Nazis, Socialists, and mindless zombies. Conservative Christian children are already mindless zombies being taught that Stone Age humans kept and rode flesh-eating dinosaurs just prior to loading them onto a wooden ship to ride out a 40-day flood when Old Testament god exterminated all life on planet Earth; save Noah and his immediate family, but that is another story.

    http://www.politicususa.com/2014/05/...d-america.html
    Liberals are all about dumbing down America with common core, junk "science" like global warming, insisting that a myriad of social topics be included in education while skimping on math and science. Liberals own the US education system in all it's deficiencies.

    But true to form, when they, to some, are failing (the education system is a failure for all except motivated students), and to others succeeding, (because that is their goal-dumbing down the US,) they blame WHAT THEY ARE DOING on Republicans.
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    2. It is much easier to sway the dumb population with propaganda

    But at some point even the dumb will rise up.
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    3. by Common Core I would say many dems also

    keep em dumb and dependant, the ptb's need serfs
    I couldn't have said it better. Democrats WANT dumb and dependent because the only way they keep their voting bloc is to make they dependent on government.


    From the above linked article:

    At a public hearing last month on a bill to allow school districts to opt out of Common Core standards, a knuckle-dragging Tea Party leader told Alabama state senators that Common Core promotes “acceptance of homosexuality, alternate lifestyles, radical feminism, abortion, illegal immigration and the redistribution of wealth.”
    For leftists it's all about getting acceptance, nay, celebration of the immorality they wish to not only embrace but force on children of conservatives.
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    Common core is another liberal/government controlled Trojan horse. People need to open their eyes and see not just what's going on in front of them, but the hidden agenda behind this intrusion.
    Obama isn't the problem. The problem is an electorate that would vote a man like him into office.
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    What exactly is wrong with common core?
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    Oh yes, conservatives are against education and science. What fucking bullshit to be plain.

    I'm not going to go into this one too deep but some of the stupidest people on

    the planet are among the Dem base.
    May the FORCE be with you!
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    That was certainly a well thought out discussion.
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    Oh yes, conservatives are against education and science. What fucking bullshit to be plain.

    I'm not going to go into this one too deep but some of the stupidest people on

    the planet are among the Dem base.
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    A well-educated America would be great, unfortunately what the DemonRats and the education biz professionals want is not that, but a well-indoctrinated America.

    I have to wonder about that OP's handle. 'Doxydad' - I hope he means he's just a little bit too attached to a dachshund, and not that he's proud of the fact his daughter is a whore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Surly1 View Post
    What exactly is wrong with common core?
    Have you seen any of the criticisms of Common Core? Some of it is just plain inappropriate--like logic problems concerning infidelity that is aimed at 4th or 5th graders (I have forgotten which.) The math is confusing!! Rounding up, then rounding down, doing a one-step problem in about 6 steps. Can't imagine how parents can help kids with those problems. The content is essentially left-wing, which I'm sure is just fine with the NEA.

    As someone else has said, this isn't about education; it's about indoctrination.
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    Specific examples? I have heard thousands of times about this left wing propaganda BS and no one ever shows me an example of something actually taught in a school and that utube of a teacher talking about the kids had to know the means to solve the problem, and the right answer, but the right answer part was edited out. Do you have any examples of inappropriate material that was actually taught in a school because of common core? Have you read what Common Core standards really are anywhere outside the RW noise machine?

    http://www.corestandards.org/about-t...yths-vs-facts/

    Quote Originally Posted by Mary Ann View Post
    Have you seen any of the criticisms of Common Core? Some of it is just plain inappropriate--like logic problems concerning infidelity that is aimed at 4th or 5th graders (I have forgotten which.) The math is confusing!! Rounding up, then rounding down, doing a one-step problem in about 6 steps. Can't imagine how parents can help kids with those problems. The content is essentially left-wing, which I'm sure is just fine with the NEA.

    As someone else has said, this isn't about education; it's about indoctrination.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Surly1 View Post
    Specific examples? I have heard thousands of times about this left wing propaganda BS and no one ever shows me an example of something actually taught in a school and that utube of a teacher talking about the kids had to know the means to solve the problem, and the right answer, but the right answer part was edited out. Do you have any examples of inappropriate material that was actually taught in a school because of common core? Have you read what Common Core standards really are anywhere outside the RW noise machine?

    http://www.corestandards.org/about-t...yths-vs-facts/
    Yes, I do.

    Here’s a transcript of one of the questions, as provided by the station:

    Ruby sat on the bed she shared with her husband holding a hairclip. There was something mysterious and powerful about the cheaply manufactured neon clip that she was fondling suspiciously. She didn’t recognize the hairclip. It was too big to be their daughter’s, and Ruby was sure that it wasn’t hers. She hadn’t had friends over in weeks but there was this hairclip, little and green with a few long black hair strands caught in it. Ruby ran her fingers through her own blonde hair. She had just been vacuuming when she noticed this small, bright green object under the bed. Now their life would never be the same. She would wait here until Mike returned home.

    Why is Ruby so affected by the hairclip?
    How has the hairclip affected Ruby’s relationship?
    http://www.bizpacreview.com/2014/04/...idelity-113415

    This is a link to an article with excerpts from a political survey given to 6th graders. Besides totally distorting conservative positions, it is completely unfair to expect 12-year olds to label themselves politically, and is even more outrageous to expect them to assess their parents' political opinions. I would paste the excerpts themselves, but I'm not sure how.

    http://www.thomasmore.org/common-cor...-sixth-graders

    there are many, many other criticisms out there. I just don't have time to list them all.
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  10. #10 What it wrong with it? 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Surly1 View Post
    What exactly is wrong with common core?
    It is mandated by people that are far away from and have no compelling interest in the school districts that they impose it on. American public schools have been in decline ever since They started following Dewey's B.S..


    A 5th grade AZ teacher has this to say.


    "McQueen: I’ve been a 5th grade teacher in public schools for the last ten years. I’ve always worked in schools that give teachers a great deal of autonomy in the classroom to use whatever teaching methods they feel are useful to teach their students over and above the minimum state standards. I have also experienced schools where they prescribe how and what teachers teach in the classroom and it was pure agony to witness.

    I first heard of the Common Core standards, when they were adopted here in AZ back in 2010, when I was at our State Department of Education working our state’s standardized test, the AIMS test. I’ve worked on every facet of the AIMS test for the last 5 years. The attitude amongst my fellow teachers and the state employees that summer was that they were the same-old-thing-with-another-name programs that we would have to implement at some point…we were still too busy teaching the old state standards, and creating tests based on them, that we just put off dealing with them until we had to. The scuttlebutt (I’ve always wanted to use that word and now I have) at the AZ Dept of Ed was that the standards were an Obama administration program, and with the elections coming up in 2012 there was a chance that the Common Core standards would go away should Obama lose the election.

    A year ago (3/2013), the AZ Dept of Ed asked me to go to Chicago for a week to work on evaluating the writing/reading rubrics for the Common Core/PARCC test. I didn’t have an opinion on Common Core either way. I was curious and I wanted to see what the standards would look like in test form and how that might inform my classroom teaching, so I went. Most teachers were waiting for the Common Core test to come out for the same reason.

    Teachers in AZ have a great deal of input into the state test. Teachers create the test and we had the ability to change or tweak test questions if we detected a bias or if we thought the questions or reading passages weren’t truly assessing our students’ learning.

    Working on the CCore test was a very different experience and had 50 more shades of bureaucracy. My Common Core handlers weren’t interested in my questions about where the standards came from, who wrote them, who wrote the test questions, etc. If they did attempt an answer they usually parroted the phrase “Teachers were involved.” Something didn’t feel right.

    My turning point came when in answer to questions I had about a student writing sample, my Common Core handler blurted out, “We don’t ever care what the kids’ opinions are. If they write what they think or put forth their opinion then they will fail the test.”


    I have always taught my students to think for themselves. They are to study multiple views on a given topic, then take their own position and support it with evidence. “That is the old way of writing,” my Common Core handler sighed. “We want students to repeat the opinions of the ‘experts’ that we expose them to on the test. This is the ‘new’ way of writing with the Common Core.”

    I discovered later that this was not just some irritated, rogue Common Core handler, rather this was a philosophy I heard repeated again and again. I pointed out that this was not the way that teachers teach in the classroom. She retorted that, “We expect that when the test comes out the teachers in the classroom will imitate the skills emphasized on the test (teach to the test) and employ this new way of writing and thinking.” This was a complete kick in the stomach moment for me.

    After that I started to do research on the Common Core and read everything I could get my hands on for the year or so. The more I read the more disgusted I became about the Common Core and the governors who brought it into our lives.

    I went back to Chicago again in November 2013 to review reading/writing questions for the Common Core/PARCC test. Again, I wanted to see the test questions and I also wanted to experience the Common Core with all the new knowledge I’d gained. After a week of work I was convinced of the correctness of my feelings and my research about the Common Core. During this visit I worked with Pearson and ETS on the questions they created for the test. Again we were just window dressing so that they could check the box that “teachers were involved.”


    McQueen: The Common Core is much bigger than just a set of standards, a test, or a data gathering machine. Like a virus, the Common Core tricks its victims into lowering their guard by pretending to be something it is not. But the Common Core isn’t just a mindless infection of our society; rather it is an intentional takeover of our education delivery system and therefore a takeover of our children’s minds. It is a one-size-fits-all, homogenized, centrally controlled education delivery system steeped in Progressive ideology. It is antithetical to everything that makes our country exceptional. This cult is relentlessly pulling our children under its control, with a seemingly endless supply of money, and uses intimidation to silence its opponents.

    By taking over how our kids think the Common Core will be used to shape future generations of citizens and their relationship with their own true history and their government. Sovereignty over education was always too decentralized into the states to do this in the past.

    Many people are focusing on the incompetent implementation of the Common Core tests or the need to rework the standards. The reality is that the entire Common Core beast, including the never-before-tested-standards that were created in secret, the tests which were based on those standards, and the data suctioning systems which were put in place to track our children’s personal information and monitor teacher compliance with Common Core Central, should be slayed and buried in total. States’ Governors and Superintendents of Education were elected to protect the interests of our children, yet they let this Common Core beast through the gates. There should be a call for them to resign and/or not seek re-election in light of their educational malpractice.

    Having said all this, the one concrete thing that Americans should fear most is the NSA-like data suctioning systems set in place by the Common Core groups to gather all manner of data about our children and their families starting in preschool and going up through college and career."


    Let's dumb it down for you, slick. The American education system should teach you HOW to think critically and have the basic skills to compete in and contribute to American society. Common Core is a progressive designed indoctrination/control system to create good little drones that are dependent on their government masters for their very survival. If you don't think America is full of dumbasses just ask the clerk at the supermarket to make change on your next purchase with their own brain. And to tell the truth since only Fox leans right what is the "RW noise machine" of which you speak?

    http://www.theblaze.com/blog/2014/05...being-created/

    P.S. I would've excerpted this from Daily Kos or Salon so as to not offend your tender sensibilities, but I just couldn't find it there.
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