#1 Let's call the Isla Vista killings what they were: misogynist extremism
05-25-2014, 03:51 PM
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The feminists are OFFENDED. THEY are victims. (So what else is new?)
Starry Messenger (23,760 posts)
Let's call the Isla Vista killings what they were: misogynist extremism
"For some time now, misogynist extremism has been excused, as all acts of terrorism committed by white men are excused, as an aberration, as the work of random loons, not real men at all. Why are we denying the existence of a pattern?"
The ideology behind these attacks - and there is ideology - is simple. Women owe men. Women, as a class, as a sex, owe men sex, love, attention, “adoration”, in Rodger’s words. We owe them respect and obedience, and our refusal to give it to them is to blame for their anger, their violence - stupid sluts get what they deserve. Most of all, there is an overpowering sense of rage and entitlement: the conviction that men have been denied a birthright of easy power.
Capitalism commodifies that rage, monetises it, disseminates it through handbooks and forums and crass mainstream pornography. It does not occur to these men that women might have experienced these very human things, too, because it does not occur to them that women are human, not really. Women are prizes to be caught and used or hags to be harassed or, occassionally, both.
We are told, repeatedly, to ignore it. It’s not real. It’s just "crazy", lonely guys who we should feel sorry for. But as a mental health activist, I have no time for the language of emotional distress being used to excuse an atrocity, and as a compassionate person I am sick of being told to empathise with the perpetrators of violence any time I try to talk about the victims and survivors. That’s what women are supposed to do. We’re supposed to be infinitely compassionate. We’re supposed to feel sorry for these poor, confused, vengeful individuals. Sometimes we’re allowed to talk about our fear, as long as we don’t get angry. Most of all, we mustn’t get angry.
We have allowed ourselves to believe, for a long time, that the misogynist subcultures flourishing on- and offline in the past half-decade, the vengeful sexism seeding in resentment in a time of rage and austerity, is best ignored. We have allowed ourselves to believe that those fetid currents aren’t really real, that they don’t matter, that they have no relation to "real-world" violence. But if the Isla Vista massacre is the first confirmed incident of an incident of gross and bloody violence directly linked to the culture of ‘Men’s Rights’ activism and Pickup Artist (PUA) ideology, an ideology that preys on lost, angry men, then it cannot be ignored or dismissed any more.
What it does have to do with is an unhinged, mentally disturbed young man who grew up in a liberal environment. Of course leftists have to make it as an attack on them, in order to demonize those who they don't agree with, and deflect attention from their policies.
Star Member Starry Messenger (23,760 posts)
1. An article on SPLC with interesting parallels, imo
A typical murderer drawn to the racist forum Stormfront.org is a frustrated, unemployed, white adult male living with his mother or an estranged spouse or girlfriend. She is the sole provider in the household. Forensic psychologists call him a “wound collector.” Instead of building his resume, seeking employment or further education, he projects his grievances on society and searches the Internet for an excuse or an explanation unrelated to his behavior or the choices he has made in life.
His escalation follows a predictable trajectory. From right-wing antigovernment websites and conspiracy hatcheries, he migrates to militant hate sites that blame society’s ills on ethnicity and shifting demographics. He soon learns his race is endangered — a target of “white genocide.” After reading and lurking for a while, he needs to talk to someone about it, signing up as a registered user on a racist forum where he commiserates in an echo chamber of angry fellow failures where Jews, gays, minorities and multiculturalism are blamed for everything.
Assured of the supremacy of his race and frustrated by the inferiority of his achievements, he binges online for hours every day, self-medicating, slowly sipping a cocktail of rage. He gradually gains acceptance in this online birthing den of self-described “lone wolves,” but he gets no relief, no practical remedies, no suggestions to improve his circumstances. He just gets angrier.
And then he gets a gun.
<snip>Demeter (72,701 posts)
27. I have known too many like that
not all of them men, granted, but it is a fact of our American experience: collecting wounds is chic. It's so much more satisfying than collecting degrees and honors, and so much more accessible to the basic loser mentality.
Collect degrees and honors, and you have nice wall hangings, that once might have meant gainful employment and a satisfying life....but not any more. Besides, it involved work, investing time and money.
Collecting wounds just involves narcissism, laziness, complete lack of ethics, and a huge sense of entitlement. It's being stuck at 2 years old.
CSStrowbridge (149 posts)
8. He is a typical...
He is a typical member of MRA groups. These groups are at the very least hate groups, but if actions like this become more common, they should be considered terrorist groups.
Bernardo de La Paz (9,310 posts)
16. He is not typical of any group except mass murderers. Nor was he a member of any MRA group. ntStar Member Starry Messenger (23,760 posts)
17. FYI, this is the Feminist group.
I'd like to keep this discussion focused on our SOP, which relates to being able to have conversations on things and how they affect women, thanks.
And there are several articles available on Rodgers' accessing MRA ideology.
Helen Borg (494 posts)
11. In his videos, he says he hates and despises guys.
Calls them brutes and slobs.... And he killed his MALE roommates. So, more of a misanthrope than a misogynist.Star Member Starry Messenger (23,760 posts)
13. He hated men who got women he wanted.
So, it goes back to his hatred of women, and resenting them for going for men the murderer thought were unsuitable. I know he killed his male roommates. Bigotry is irrational.
And then there's this:
And, Elliot Rodger was a fan of the far left “Young Turks” YouTube Channel.
The Young Turks was one of his favorited channels.
The Young Turk describes itself as “a young progressive or insurgent member of an institution.”
The host of the channel Cenk Uygur is a far left political activist and former MSNBC host.
05-25-2014, 04:01 PM
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Actually, the guy himself said he was doing the killings because no girl would have sex with him. Instead of figuring out what he might have been doing wrong, he decided to shoot females. I don't think the DUmmies' interpretations are that far out of line here. They pretty much match what the killer said: he hated women for turning him down and hated the men that could get women to have sex with them.
05-25-2014, 05:14 PM
I particularly love one of the victim's father blaming this on the NRA making zero mention that this nut also stabbed 3 people to death. I mean, this ought to tell you how unhinged the left is. When you have to politicize your son's death mere hours after he was murdered says something about you. Of course this douchebag went on his tirade knowing that it would be bad form for anyone to question him in his time of grief bit IMO if you bring politics into it, you're opening up yourself as fair game.The Obama Administration: Deny. Deflect. Blame.
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05-25-2014, 06:37 PM
It was only a matter of moments before they turned this into red meat for one of their mental masturbations.
The real killer in this melee was mental illness. Not unlike the Sandy Hook killer or the kid who ran down his school hallways stabbing and slashing everyone in sight.
Maybe the mental midgets need to start focusing on the causes of these tragedies before the next one.Obama isn't the problem. The problem is an electorate that would vote a man like him into office.
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05-26-2014, 08:09 AM
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The killer was an over-indulged narcissistic twerp who somewhere "learned" that girls exist, in part, to gratify his sexual urges. If the feminists need to blame an ideology for this pathetic twerp's murders, they should look to the source(s) of his entitled attitude and his view of women as objects for his sexual gratification.
I suppose feminist advocacy groups can't raise money by blaming his parents and peers, nor will feminist college professors get incestual academic accolades from doing the same.
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