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    Quote Originally Posted by SVPete View Post
    Translation: NJCF, while "????" could have multiple meanings, the most likely by far is some variant of, "I'm not sure what you mean. Could you explain further?" It would have been simpler to explain your meaning.

    Until y'all (ya'll) get used to me (to the degree that's possible), I'll either be more literal or [Sarcasm] use Sarcasm tags [/Sarcasm].
    It's hard to tell, sometimes.

    In my experience, many things get misunderstood on the net, especially the context or tone of remarks, since that information is carried outside of the denotations of the words themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ABC in Georgia View Post
    Oh my! I know is not my place to say it, but ...

    Being neither an admin., nor even a mod in here, will anyway!

    It is sad to see us (myself included at times) fighting among ourselves, for niggling reasons.

    I started posting on the internet back in 1997 ... didn't have many 'emoticons' back in those days, which do come in handy for clarity, I must admit ...

    And do recall a good deal of hurt feelings due to misunderstandings between members, and I once called it the "inevitable roller-coaster effect" of posting online.

    One day you're up ... the next you're down, all due in most cases to miscommunications for whatever the reasons.

    Come on guys, let's try not to get tangled up in the "small stuff" we have enough of all the political shenanigans going on these days to deal with, do we not?

    (Stepping down from my soapbox, once again) *blush*

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    You're totally within your rights to say what you think and, in this case, you're totally right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noonwitch View Post
    I'm a Christian who is a liberal, but this kind of thing drives me crazy. Religious issues should be debated in higher education, not this kind of shutting down of free speech. It robs students of not just their free speech rights, but of a quality education- one that produces young adults who can defend their beliefs, who can respect the rights of those with whom they disagree, and who can function in a diverse society and workplace.
    The idea seems to be to shut down Christianity specifically, and, according the the article, it seems to be coming from the homosexual activists on campus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elspeth View Post
    The idea seems to be to shut down Christianity specifically, and, according the the article, it seems to be coming from the homosexual activists on campus.
    It strikes me as weird that the gay activists go after Christians, who are far from violent, rather than Muslims, who kill homosexuals in Muslim countries. I guess its a hierarchy of PC thing, and maybe fear that some local Muslims might get violent if one of their tenets is challenged.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SVPete View Post
    It strikes me as weird that the gay activists go after Christians, who are far from violent, rather than Muslims, who kill homosexuals in Muslim countries. I guess its a hierarchy of PC thing, and maybe fear that some local Muslims might get violent if one of their tenets is challenged.
    It's because most of them haven't lived with religious Muslims.
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    Scary article from The Federalist this week:

    What’s Happening To Gordon College Is Just The Beginning
    http://thefederalist.com/2014/07/18/...the-beginning/

    A Christian college in Massachusetts requested the freedom to live out its ideals, and since some powerful people don’t share those ideals they’re set to destroy Gordon College—unless it agrees to retreat to the closet.

    In June, Gordon’s president added his name to a public letter asking President Obama to not force religious organizations into hypocrisy. Obama plans an executive order that would be the equivalent to many organizations of forcing Human Rights Campaign to hire adherents of Westboro Baptist Church. It would force anyone who receives federal funds to hire people whose sexual conduct disgraces all the world’s major religions.

    Gordon, like every other observant religious institution in the world, does not want to be forced to hire people that represent the opposite of what it stands for. For that, it’s been pilloried in the press and persecuted by apparently every local public official who gets morally high from judging Gordon’s beliefs. It has already lost a contract with a local town to manage its historic town hall, and its accreditation will soon be under review—all for merely signing a letter. Gordon is only the vanguard. There is far more of this ahead, for every religious school, charity, parachurch organization, and even churches. So it’s time to pay attention to the tenderhooks of tyranny.

    Don’t Take Federal Money, Even Though It’s Yours

    Gordon is at federal mercy, first, because it takes federal money. Nearly every college receives federal funds, because the federal government is the nation’s largest sponsor of subprime higher education—meaning, of course, it is by far the largest provider of student loans, made freely available without discrimination upon the basis of academic merit or likelihood of college completion.

    This would be only an economic problem, not an individual liberty problem (besides the tax extortion), if the feds ever sent people’s tax dollars back to them with no control measures attached. But they don’t. Control is half the point of getting it in the first place. It’s a fishing expedition, and you’re the catch. Although a few other colleges (such as my alma mater, Hillsdale) realized some time ago that federal money inherently threatens freedom, most are so hooked they would now have to dissolve if they did not accept it. Liberty University, for example, of Virginia and Jerry Falwell fame, regularly makes news for being among the top consumers of federal Pell Grants. It got a cool $81 million from the feds in 2010-11.

    This isn’t just a college problem. It’s a charity problem, and parachurch problem, as our own Mollie Hemingway made very clear when discussing the World Vision debacle. It’s even a private K-12 school problem, since private schools can take federal lunch money (and its accompanying, idiotic regulations), have their teachers trained by their public school competitors, and more.

    Accreditation May Be Worse

    The danger to Gordon’s accreditation, however, may be worse, because it’s a far less visible instrument of control. Without accreditation, it’s difficult for an education institution to function, because accreditation gives the school a license to hand out real diplomas, and for its course credits to transfer to other institutions. As one might expect, that’s really important to schools’ customers.

    In K-12, states regulate private school curriculum and teacher preparation (aka everything a child learns and how he learns it) through accreditation. So far accreditors have been content to demand low academics, Progressive curriculum, and fuzzy teaching methods, but in the current climate it’s no stretch to think not just the feds but also some state and private accreditors will demand that private schools condone gay sex. In higher education, accreditation is also a hoop schools have to jump through to get federal funds, but even worse, the feds are directly involved in determining what hoops a school has to jump through to get accredited. So even if a school did not receive federal funds, it could be pressured on myriad fronts by the federal government or anyone else with power and an agenda through its accreditation agency. Such are the dangers of centralizing power, and allowing the government to do what private individuals and coalitions can manage much better themselves. It hands tyrants tools for oppression.

    President Obama is clearly aware of the federal power over accreditation—he’s proposed changes to the accreditation process that involve more intimate data-collection on students, among other things. Since government-regulated accreditation does essentially nothing to improve school quality and is therefore a giant exercise in providing sustenance for the mosquito-like bureaucracy, and now a tool for potential religious discrimination, it’s time to abolish it.

    Back to Gordon College, however. It is now excruciatingly clear we live in a time where some people who have political power are on a crusade against people who, in their view, commit moral thoughtcrime. A religious college loses all reason for existence if it must conform to a diametrically opposite moral code. It makes no sense for a school to hire teachers to teach children, among other things, that sex belongs in marriage between a man an woman, if that very teacher’s actions negate his or her words. Such a teacher must either lie to children, or the school must. (Perhaps the entire goal is to expose children to such forced hypocrisy.) If a religious school cannot act as a religious school, it logically cannot exist. It can only shift its morality to match that of its oppressors, or dissolve.

    That may be the point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elspeth View Post
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    That may be the point.[/B]
    No question - That is the point.
    It's not how old you are, it's how you got here.
    It's been a long road and not all of it was paved.
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