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  1. #1 Watching Iraq disintegrate makes me want to break things. 
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    Watching Iraq disintegrate makes me want to break things.

    I'm quite sure I'm not alone here in this.

    We were right. We tried, GOD, we tried.

    Guess what, folks? Here we go again. Iraq War 3.0, with theater-wide implications to boot, because the Smart People don't ever listen to the street-shouters until it is way, way too late.

    Don't worry, though. The same people will get rich off this all over again - shit, we're about to sell Iraq F-16s even as the walls come down - because the business of America is business.

    And that, apparently, is all that matters.
    Yea, the United States tried............right up to the point that Obama became President.

    They are wailing away over on DU. Wailing because the country is going into chaos, but adamant that the US should do nothing. They wailed because some civilians were killed in the initial fighting..........lied about it being over a million people, and insisted we shouldn't be there. If we weren't people wouldn't be killed.

    Now they wail, but the reality is they only care about blaming Republicans. They don't care about those who are being killed or will be killed by the extremists. Just like they didn't care about all the people from Vietnam who were killed when the US pulled out when the liberals engineered the US pulling out.

    This is directly Obama's fault. There were/are things he could have and should have done.........and he refused. It's on his head.
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    5. The thing that makes me angry is

    hearing the right-wingers blame Obama. I don't agree with Obama on all fronts but he was handed a bag of shit on this one.
    Leftists think Obama should get a pass for his incompetence because being president is hard.

    Obama KNEW what he was getting into when he ran for President. He doesn't get a pass because something is hard. He DOES get rightfully blamed when he's incompetent.
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    46. He was handed war crimes including Whistle Blowers who revealed more of them. He chose to move

    forward rather than take the bull by the horns and start investigations immediately. He told us it would be better for the country to look ahead.

    We said at the time that protecting war criminals was a huge mistake. They don't view themselves as criminals and the only way to force that reality on them, is to prosecute them.

    So now they are blaming him for their crimes.

    Is anyone surprised?

    The Left was right again. And again they were pretty much told to stfu because the adults were in charge.

    But for the warmongers this is all great news. But of course they won't say that publicly, it will be hard for them to hide their excitement at the prospect of more billions of dollars, but they will and they will blame the person who saved them from getting the justice they deserve.
    It's kind of hard to prosecute so called "war crimes" when those are simply things that liberals have arbitrarily decided to define as "war crimes".
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    28. We should not do air strikes. New reports outside USA say Mosul is quiet. Civilians preferring

    insurgents to current government. Insurgents right now treating civilians ok. You have to listen to new from sources outside the US.

    Most Iraqis hate the government set up by US. And any air strikes will just kill a lot more innocent people.

    Who remembers when Iraq under Saddam was virtually a secular government allowing all people to worship by their chosen beliefs, even including Jews? Sure there were political divisions and one group were the "haves" one group were the "have nots" but there was stability and a national Iraqi pride. Women were educated, and the government was running services though scant in some area but now hardly anyone has services, jobs or safety.
    Sure, they're quiet. When people are scared they get very quiet.....if they haven't already left.

    The leftists are all saying, "do nothing, we are hated, the people didn't like the government". And when honor killings increase, girls are taken as "wives" when they are 6 or 9, when women who are raped are caned 200 times for "adultery" the left will either claim Christianity is just as bad or that that is what Christians want as part of a theocracy, or will claim that it isn't our business, let them do as they want.
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    43. We should do nothing. Let the Iranians support their puppets against the sunnis there. We've paid



    our debts to Iraq. This situation will fix itself Iran won't stand for a sunni fundamentalist state next door. We should wait to see how this resolves itself and then help the winner.
    Obama......is that you? Sure sounds like what he wants..............the terrorists/Islamists to win.
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    47. And we're going to hear continuous screaming that it's all Obama's fault.



    And a lot of voters will believe that.
    They should. It's the truth.
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    Everyone knew this would happen shortly after the US military presence was gone. The Sunni/Shia war has been going on for a long time, it's not ending anytime soon.

    I always thought this war was unnecessary. I didn't participate in protests, because I think that sends the wrong messages to our military people, who have no choice in where they get sent or what their mission is going to be.

    As far as the current argument "did we sacrifice all those American lives for nothing?". Yes, we did. I know that's cold, but it's true. It was as true 6 months after we invaded Iraq as it is today, there are just thousands more dead Americans, now.

    The reason Obama beat Hillary in the primaries and the reason he was elected in 2008 was because in 2008, most people realized that the Iraq war was wrong and unnecessary and Obama was the only candidate who had not been in the Senate when the vote was taken, so he could claim that he always opposed the war. One of the main reasons he was elected was so he could get us out of Iraq.
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    It was Obama's fault for taking people out too soon, but I also fault voters. You know by 2008, people were wanting our men and women home. Americans think we can just go in and out and that's it. And I still think a lot of Americans are too selfish to care if it doesn't directly affect us. They don't want our men and women dying for Iraqis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanie View Post
    It was Obama's fault for taking people out too soon, but I also fault voters. You know by 2008, people were wanting our men and women home. Americans think we can just go in and out and that's it. And I still think a lot of Americans are too selfish to care if it doesn't directly affect us. They don't want our men and women dying for Iraqis.
    Pre 9-11 mentality....again.

    Americans are clueless about how volatile the Islamic countries are. Whether they like it or not, we are at war with these Islamofacists and it's only going to get worse.

    In the meantime, Caesar fiddles while Rome burns.
    Obama isn't the problem. The problem is an electorate that would vote a man like him into office.
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    I wonder how the DUmmies feel about leaving 200 Americans behind to fend for themselves againt the ISIS jihadists? Actually, I know how they would respond............by doing nothing like their fearless leader did in Benghazi.

    I know what I would do and those Americans would be getting on C-130's escorted by A-10's and F-15's.

    http://patdollard.com/2014/06/report...qaeda-in-iraq/
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    Maybe William will write another book/pamplet on this.

    It could be just 1 page...

    It's Bu$h's fault!!!
    Obama is god.
    May the FORCE be with you!
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  7. #7 I don't think they can handle freedoom or a republic as we understand it. 
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    "So before I was nine, I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; and the tribe against the world. And all of us against the infidel." Leon Uris... The Haj

    Seems like the mule and stick method might get better results, with Iraq being the mule and air power being the stick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alaskan View Post
    I wonder how the DUmmies feel about leaving 200 Americans behind to fend for themselves againt the ISIS jihadists? Actually, I know how they would respond............by doing nothing like their fearless leader did in Benghazi.

    I know what I would do and those Americans would be getting on C-130's escorted by A-10's and F-15's.

    http://patdollard.com/2014/06/report...qaeda-in-iraq/
    Fearless leader sounds like he's setting up another Benghazi with his indecisiveness and total lack of caring. I followed your link and can't believe our government would allow those people to their inevitable fate. I've heard stories on the news about what that bunch does to other muslims--crucifies them literally. I wonder how Obama can sleep at night, but I guess he simply doesn't care or not capable of making a decision.

    These private contractors must be feeling how our ambassador in Benghazi felt, waiting for that plane and air cover that never came.

    About 200 Americans under contract with the Department of Defense at Balad Air Force Base in Iraq are trapped by the al-Qaida-inspired jihadists who have seized control of two cities and are now threatening Baghdad, according to WND sources.

    The sources, private contractors who have recently returned to the U.S. from Iraq, said Friday their former colleagues effectively have been abandoned by the U.S. military and are fighting for their lives against an army of jihadists surrounding the base who belong to the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, or ISIS.

    The U.S. contractors are at Balad to help the Pentagon prepare the facilities for the delivery of the F-16 aircraft the Obama administration has agreed to provide the Iraqi government.

    The surrounded Americans said they currently are under ISIS fire from small arms, AK47s, and rocket propelled grenades, or RPGs.

    The contractors so far have been able to hold the base, but those on the scene reported it was only a matter of time before the ISIS terrorists succeeded in breaking through the perimeter. The sources confirmed the contractors were still under siege, despite an Associated Press report Thursday, citing U.S. officials, that three planeloads of Americans were being evacuated from Balad.

    WND has learned from sources that the jihadists have closed down escape routes, and the U.S. Air Force is in a stand-down position. U.S. forces are not assisting even with air cover so a private extradition flight could land for a rescue, the sources said.
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    It appears that the Iraqi Air Force has returned our people from Balad AB to Baghdad, where they were being evacuated out of country. They were sent to Balad as an advon team for the F-16's that we sold to the Iraqi Air Force. It's good to see that some of the Iraqi military has some balls, unlike those that abandoned their posts and ran like scared little rabbits.

    So our guys were rescued by not by our own country.

    http://mobile.wnd.com/2014/06/200-u-...zR7pfyV73Iw.99
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alaskan View Post
    It appears that the Iraqi Air Force has returned our people from Balad AB to Baghdad, where they were being evacuated out of country. They were sent to Balad as an advon team for the F-16's that we sold to the Iraqi Air Force. It's good to see that some of the Iraqi military has some balls, unlike those that abandoned their posts and ran like scared little rabbits.

    So our guys were rescued by not by our own country.

    http://mobile.wnd.com/2014/06/200-u-...zR7pfyV73Iw.99
    Glad that someone has balls--certainly not our ball-less fearless leader. He would have let them there to die, like those in Benghazi. I can't imagine how frustrated our military has to feel.
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