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    Well, I'll tell ya - beats the snot outta me as I can't relate to some of the qualifiers. but HERE is the official "points" calculations.

    I do know that if the US had won, they would have automatically went on to the next level. As it is, they will have to depend on their future and their opponenets to see if they get there or not.

    The top twenty going into this level was as follows:
    Top 20 Rankings as of 5 June 2014
    Rank Team Points
    1 Spain 1485
    2 Germany 1300
    3 Brazil 1242
    4 Portugal 1189
    5 Argentina 1175
    6 Switzerland 1149
    7 Uruguay 1147
    8 Colombia 1137
    9 Italy 1104
    10 England 1090
    11 Belgium 1074
    12 Greece 1064
    13 United States 1035
    14 Chile 1026
    15 Netherlands 981
    16 Ukraine 915
    17 France 913
    18 Croatia 903
    19 Russia 893
    20 Mexico 882

    With that said, Spain is already out of the playoffs so what has happened since the playoffs have started seems to be divorced from standing previous to this round.

    To look at how FIFA reports the match, check it out here and note the points standing about the middle of the page on the right. It looks to me like the US still has the upper hand in the group. But I wouldn't put money on that observation.

    Both teams will play again on the 26th.


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    Now all we need is for Germany to kick our ass on Thursday to get this World Cup crap off my TV and on to better, more exciting things, like watching paint dry or grass grow.
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    You only have one channel available at your place?
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    Despite the tie on Sunday, the U.S. team is still in decent position to advance.
    They have two ways:
    Win or draw against Germany
    Earning a win against the powerful German team on Thursday is impossible by any means. A win would give them first place in the group; a draw would see the Germans take the top while the US gets second.
    Alternatively:
    Lose to Germany and then get help from the Ghana-Portugal match
    The U.S. would still advance if Ghana and Portugal play to a draw. If either wins outright and the U.S. loses, it would then go to a tiebreaker against that team.

    Stolen from a web site I donít remember---
    Here are the FIFA tiebreakers in the order they come into play:
    - Goal differential (Germany 4, U.S. 1, Ghana -1, Portugal -4)
    - Goals scored (Germany 6, U.S. 4, Ghana 3, Portugal 2)
    - Head to head result (The U.S. beat Ghana, but drew against Portugal)
    - Drawing of lots (A random drawing, but this would only come into play with a blowout Portugal win and/or a blowout U.S loss considering the goal differential between the two teams is now a total of five goals.)
    Note this reference to goal count - another part of the point count. How bad did you beat your opponent(s).

    So, clear as mud? They will playing simultaneously so there really wonít be much of a chance to root for Portugal if we lose.
    My druthers? Go USA! Beat Germany!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Retread View Post
    You only have one channel available at your place?
    Nope but the damned World Cup snooze fest seems to be on every one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Retread View Post
    Despite the tie on Sunday, the U.S. team is still in decent position to advance.
    They have two ways:
    Win or draw against Germany
    Earning a win against the powerful German team on Thursday is impossible by any means. A win would give them first place in the group; a draw would see the Germans take the top while the US gets second.
    Alternatively:
    Lose to Germany and then get help from the Ghana-Portugal match
    The U.S. would still advance if Ghana and Portugal play to a draw. If either wins outright and the U.S. loses, it would then go to a tiebreaker against that team.

    Stolen from a web site I donít remember---
    Here are the FIFA tiebreakers in the order they come into play:
    - Goal differential (Germany 4, U.S. 1, Ghana -1, Portugal -4)
    - Goals scored (Germany 6, U.S. 4, Ghana 3, Portugal 2)
    - Head to head result (The U.S. beat Ghana, but drew against Portugal)
    - Drawing of lots (A random drawing, but this would only come into play with a blowout Portugal win and/or a blowout U.S loss considering the goal differential between the two teams is now a total of five goals.)
    Note this reference to goal count - another part of the point count. How bad did you beat your opponent(s).

    So, clear as mud? They will playing simultaneously so there really wonít be much of a chance to root for Portugal if we lose.
    My druthers? Go USA! Beat Germany!
    Germany can be beaten. Ghana played them to a draw and the US beat Ghana. I'm betting on a draw as Germany isn't going to risk injury but aren't going to lay down.
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    1-0 in favor of Germany which get into the first tiebreaker

    FIFA tiebreakers in the order they come into play:
    - Goal differential (Germany 4, U.S. 1, Ghana -1, Portugal -4) going in
    - end of play Germany 5, U.S. 1, Ghana 0, Portugal -2

    Which ties the US into the lowest spot in the seedings for the knockout round. They expect to meet Belgium.

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    I was on the elevator at my office yesterday when a bunch of guys got on. One said to another, "We're going to watch the US/Germany game! Wanna come?" The other said, "Nah. If I wanted to watch a bunch of guys go scoreless for ninety minutes, I'd go to a bar with my friends."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Retread View Post
    1-0 in favor of Germany which get into the first tiebreaker

    FIFA tiebreakers in the order they come into play:
    - Goal differential (Germany 4, U.S. 1, Ghana -1, Portugal -4) going in
    - end of play Germany 5, U.S. 1, Ghana 0, Portugal -2

    Which ties the US into the lowest spot in the seedings for the knockout round. They expect to meet Belgium.

    Germany looks to have the easiest first game. Games to watch: Netherlands/Mexico, Brazil/Chile. If Jozy Altidore is healthy, the US will have a chance against Belgium but they have no shot without him. They need a playmaker for Dempsey. They also need to send Bradley to Antarctica ASAP. That guy is a turnover machine.
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    Here is the odds-makers views:

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