Thread: "I sure as hell want to be careful and not run out on little Israel,"

Results 1 to 8 of 8
  1. #1 "I sure as hell want to be careful and not run out on little Israel," 
    An Adversary of Linda #'s
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Posts
    22,891
    LBJ tapes show a strong connection to Israel

    JERUSALEM - Tapes of Lyndon Johnson's Oval Office conversations, released to the public for the first time on Wednesday, reveal that the American president had a personal and often emotional connection to Israel, a scholar said. In the first public presentation of the tapes Wednesday at Hebrew University in Jerusalem, Professor Robert Johnson said this connection influenced his policy decisions and helped lay the foundation for the special relationship between the two nations.

    "I sure as hell want to be careful and not run out on little Israel," Johnson said in a March 1968 conversation with his ambassador to the United Nations, Arthur Goldberg.
    snip
    He was also the first U.S. president to invite an Israeli premier on a state visit when he brought Prime Minster Levi Eshkol to Washington, D.C. in 1964.

    "This is really the foundation of what we think of as U.S.-Israeli strategic partnership," said Johnson, a professor of history at Brooklyn College in New York and this year's Fulbright chair in the humanities at Tel Aviv University. He is not related to Lyndon Johnson.

    The tapes document LBJ's growing belief in the importance of Israel throughout his administration.

    Relations solidified when the United States offered to support Israel against its Arab neighbors in the 1967 Mideast war, as long as the Jewish state did not act as an aggressor.

    In a taped conversation from June 25, 1967, about three weeks after Israel defeated three Arab armies, LBJ relates a conversation with Soviet Premier Alexey Kosygin.
    "He couldn't understand why we'd want to support the Jews 3 million people when there are 100 million Arabs," the president said. "I told him that numbers do not determine what was right. We tried to do what was right regardless of the numbers."
    Professor Johnson said, "It's one of the starkest expressions of a moral obligation to Israel that came from an American President."

    snip

    Since LBJ, there have been ups and downs, but in general, U.S.-Israel ties have been strong."If you think of the U.S.-Israeli relationship now it's certainly more complex," said Johnson. "But the basic strategic partnership is the same as under (President) Johnson."

    snip

    Johnson was one of six presidents to tape his Oval Office conversations with a specially installed recording system. Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman, and Eisenhower taped some of their meetings. Kennedy, Johnson and, famously, Richard Nixon taped nearly all their conversations.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080528/...el_lbj_tapes_2
    Reply With Quote  
     

  2. #2  
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Baton Rouge
    Posts
    5
    There are some interesting quotes of LBJ with reference to the USS Liberty incident in "Puzzle Palace."

    That wasn't an attempt to stimulate more USS Liberty commentary (are your ears burning Gator?:D)

    Just a confirmation that LBJ had interest in Israel ...
    Reply With Quote  
     

  3. #3  
    An Adversary of Linda #'s
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Posts
    22,891
    Quote Originally Posted by LA G35 guy View Post
    There are some interesting quotes of LBJ with reference to the USS Liberty incident in "Puzzle Palace."

    That wasn't an attempt to stimulate more USS Liberty commentary (are your ears burning Gator?:D)

    Just a confirmation that LBJ had interest in Israel ...
    I was also looking for some refference to lLiberty but Johnson would have erased all of that stuff. It would be too dangerous for him to leave laying around.
    I have a small theory about the Liberty attack if you are interested ?
    Reply With Quote  
     

  4. #4  
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Baton Rouge
    Posts
    5
    Perot: "I'm all ears."
    Reply With Quote  
     

  5. #5  
    Ron Paul
    Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by megimoo View Post
    I was also looking for some refference to lLiberty but Johnson would have erased all of that stuff. It would be too dangerous for him to leave laying around.
    I have a small theory about the Liberty attack if you are interested ?
    I had some good friends in the US Army get blown up by the US Air Force. The equipment these soliders had on them was easy to identify as American (I'm talking about enormous weapons). My theory about it at the time was that the Air Force screwed up. The investigation was never publicized, though.

    So many people have such a bone to pick with Israel, and have never come up with more than weird suggestions that Israel did anything more than colossally screw up and sadly kill our heroic sailors. Frankly, had Israel set out to sink that ship, they had submarines, a very skilled special forces ability (that could pull off a USS Cole style attack), or they could have simply finished the job and sank that ship.

    Why only go halfway: hit it hard, and then suddenly stop and ask if they could render assistance? The logical reason is that they accidentally hit a friendly. The conclusion that they meant to hit Liberty to impede US Intelligence (and it's hard to believe we know less now than we would have had Liberty not been hit) requires some additional evidence.

    I've read Gator's views on this stuff, as well as the views of many others. I know if I sincerely believes US Sailors were murdered I'd see red too, but I never saw anything very compelling.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  6. #6  
    Resident Grump
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Posts
    7,767
    ..who is this guy?
    Reply With Quote  
     

  7. #7  
    gator
    Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by Sonnabend View Post
    ..who is this guy?
    A dickwad from another site who thinks he is being cute and crafty.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  8. #8  
    eeeevil Sith Admin SarasotaRepub's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2002
    Location
    Sarasota,FL
    Posts
    41,890
    Not anymore. :D

    I don't think we need a Ron Paul repeat.
    Reply With Quote  
     

Bookmarks
Bookmarks
Posting Permissions
  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •