#1 ANWR Not the Frosty Paradise It's Cracked Up To Be06-13-2008, 11:29 AM
Drill baby drill
Sen. John McCain said this week he would not drill in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge for the same reason he "would not drill in the Grand Canyon ... I believe this area should be kept pristine."
Pristine means unspoiled, virginal, in an original state.
One wonders how pristine the Grand Canyon can be if it has roughly 5 million visitors every year, rafting, hiking, picnicking and riding mules up one side and down the other. Campfires, RVs and motels that do not conjure the word "virginal" ring around large swaths of it.
This isn't to say that the Grand Canyon isn't a beautiful place; it inspires awe among those who visit it. ANWR (pronounced "AN-wahr) inspires awe almost entirely in those who haven't been there. It is an environmental Brigadoon or Shangri-La, a fabled land almost no one will ever see. That is its appeal. People like the idea that there are still Edens "out there" even if they will never, ever see them.
Indeed, if Americans could visit the north coast of Alaska, as I have, as easily as they can visit the Grand Canyon, the oil would be flowing by now.
ANWR is roughly the size of South Carolina, and it is spectacular. However, the area where, according to Department of Interior estimates, some 5.7 billion to 16 billion barrels of recoverable oil reside is much smaller and not necessarily as awe-inspiring. It would amount to the size of Dulles airport.
Question for McCain: Has South Carolina been ruined because it has an airport?
Most of the images of the proposed drilling area that people see on the evening news are misleading precisely because they tend to show the glorious parts of ANWR, even though that's not where the drilling would take place. Even when they position their cameras in the right location, producers tend to point them in the wrong direction. They point them south, toward the Brooks mountain range, rather than north, across the coastal plain where the drilling would be.
In summer, the coastal plain is mostly mosquito-plagued tundra and bogs. (The leathernecks at Prudhoe Bay joke that "life begins at 40" - because at 40 degrees, clouds of mosquitoes and other pests take flight from the ocean of puddles). In the winter, it reaches 70 degrees below zero (not counting wind chill, which brings it to 120 below) and is in round-the-clock darkness.
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06-13-2008, 11:36 AM
Yep - 15 years of a million barrels a day: Worth it. Trade-off?: Massive tax credits for the major oil companies for research & development during those 15 years into alternative power sources and ways to get more bang out of the crude we can still get to - another Manhattan Project for the 21st century. These people should not be hampered with idiot taxation just to elect a panacea president.At Coretta Scott King's funeral in early 2006, Ethel Kennedy, the widow of Robert Kennedy, leaned over to him and whispered, "The torch is being passed to you." "A chill went up my spine," Obama told an aide. (Newsweek)
06-13-2008, 12:06 PM
I’d love to see the countryside dotted with reactors - just not on such a massive scale - site wise. Modular plants that can be mass-produced, here in the States and nowhere else (like China) would put hundreds of thousands of folks to work. This would allow other technologies (wind, tide, solar - etc.) to ride the nuclear industry’s coat tails for a while and allow a good growth rate for the economy. On the nuclear waste issue - finish the damn hole, start filling it up and tell the tree-huggers to STFU.At Coretta Scott King's funeral in early 2006, Ethel Kennedy, the widow of Robert Kennedy, leaned over to him and whispered, "The torch is being passed to you." "A chill went up my spine," Obama told an aide. (Newsweek)
06-13-2008, 12:38 PM
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Wind power to a lesser, local extent in places like the northern California ocean coastland.
Nuclear power will solve all of our electricial problems and we should use upgradable modular systems of several sizes to fit the local power needs.
We have had reactors on subs,crusers and bird farms for many years and never an accident.If the reactors are designed to Navy SafeSub standards they are damn near fool proof.
.................Screw the Greenies !
06-13-2008, 09:25 PM
Pretty much sums it up...
In actual dollars, President Obama’s $4.4 trillion in deficit spending in just three years is 37 percent higher than the previous record of $3.2 trillion (held by President George W. Bush) in deficit spending for an entire presidency. It’s no small feat to demolish an 8-year record in just 3 years.
Under Obama’s own projections, interest payments on the debt are on course to triple from 2010 (his first budgetary year) to 2018, climbing from $196 billion to $685 billion annually.
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06-13-2008, 09:39 PM
Back in the day they said there was no oil in prudhoe Bay. then they said IF there is oil in Prudhoe Bay it will only last a couple yrs. Prudhoe Bay and its associated fields produce nearly 1 million barrels (42 million gallons) per day. The area has produced approximately 15 billion barrels (630 billion gallons) of crude oil in its 25-year history, or nearly one-fifth of U.S. consumption.The 21st century. The age of Smart phones and Stupid people.
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06-13-2008, 10:02 PM
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How is it better to NOT tap into known resources? All the political excuses in the world cannot answer that question. If we have more supply----AT HOME--- we will ween ourselves of foreign oil supplies, create jobs, and lower the price per barrel.
Lower prices, job creation and domestic security, why aren't the libiots and enviro-wackos not swinging from the trees right now?.
06-14-2008, 12:19 AM
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I am hoping that gasoline goes up to $10 per gal not because I will make money off my domestic oil stocks but because the electorate may gain some sanity and kick these env. left wing fools out of office.
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