They hate what they don't understand.

John Gauger (1000+ posts) Sat Apr-26-08 02:04 AM
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Why are believers so attached to their beliefs?
I just apologized to my Catholic friend for saying that Christian morality is similar to Pavlovian conditioning.
What on earth is wrong with Christian morality???

She is one of my closest and dearest friends, and I would never want to hurt her in any way, so of course I had to apologize for insulting her. But what bothers me is that she said, "I can't believe you would say that." I was telling her about the "Do animals undergo an afterlife" thread (in which I think I pretty thoroughly demolished the idea of an afterlife - there just isn't any logical way of determining who goes and who doesn't go)
He clearly doesn't understand the concept of faith.

wherein someone suggested that animals cannot sin. One of the other guys asked about dogs who maul children, and my friend said that dogs know the difference between right and wrong. Of course, they do not, they know what actions they will be rewarded for and what actions they will be punished for. In this I said Christian morality, the basis of which is a future state of rewards and punishments, is similar to Pavlovian conditioning. Now, I'm sorry that I made her angry, I love her and all that, but I'm not sorry for the simple act of making that statement. Because it's true. I understand that it's not good, but it's true, and the problem is not with my stating it. I don't feel I should have had to apologize for saying that.

So now I can't talk to her about religion any more.
Arrogant fool.

and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Sat Apr-26-08 04:49 PM
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1. believers so attached to their beliefs..
IMO, because they think that actual life is miserable, that they only live to die and hope to be rewarded when they are dead.

Religion to me, is very sad. You only get one shot at life, so you better make the most of it because you will not get another chance. I would not want to live under a state of paranoia, thinking that there is an invisible man in the sky that grants wishes and answers prayers. That is just living a lie and being very naive.

Living this one chance under a form of slavery is indeed very sad to me. Being bound to some dark age nonsense is like living in the past and saying that there is not hope for this life, like being mad that you were ever born in the first place.

Your comparison to religion and Pavlovian conditioning is correct.
WillBowden (1000+ posts) Sun Apr-27-08 09:45 PM
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5. Because they are frightened little children... Afraid of the dark. That there's something under the bed. The boogeyman is real.
ozone_man (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-12-08 10:44 PM
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9. How else can you get the masses to vote against there best interests? By the promises of rewards in heaven. Religion is the opiate of the masses.

I think Pavlovian conditioning is pretty accurate. The reasons for the conditioning are less obvious. I think it's always been a conspiracy between church and state to maintain power by controlling the masses.
Anyone got a tinfoil hat for this guy?

Seriously, how exactly are they hurt so much by other's beliefs that they feel they need to not only make fun of them but try to destroy them as well?

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