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    Dbdmjs1022 (232 posts) Sun Jun-15-08 10:43 PM
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    I Need DU Help for an Upcoming Argument with my Rethug Stepmom

    So I went to the Orioles game today for Father's Day with my dad, stepmom, and sister. It was a good time, a fun, game, and we went for dinner afterwards. Now I know that my dad and stepmom are both Republican, and we're usually are pretty civil in our discussions, especially when it comes to my dad. But ever since my sis and I began openly and vigorously supporting Barack Obama, it definitely has seemed to irk both of them a bit, my stepmom and particular. And I got a preview of how the upcoming election season is gonna go at dinner after the game.

    Now lemme preface this by saying I love all of my parents, Mom, Dad, and Stepmom. They're all amazing people. But my stepmom is one of those people who adamantly believes she is right and refuses to believe otherwise unless absolutely, 100% proven wrong. So as the conversation turned to politics, she said that she felt weird because she felt that Hillary was the best suited of the 3 final candidates (she hates the Clintons with a passion). She said this is because she is "the evil we know" and McCain and Obama are both "scary." Here's the interesting part: I asked why she considered Obama to be scary and her response was "because he is against everything that your life is based on." The broadness of the statement took me back a bit. While I was considering my retort, we were interrupted by a couple of her friends from work who randomly showed up at the restaurant. By the time they finished talking the subject was dropped (which is good, cause my dad was beginning to look worried that his Father's Day was about to be ruined haha). But with election day still 5 months away, I know it'll come up again and I want to be prepared.

    So my question to you guys is, what do you think she meant by Obama being "against everything your life was based on"? I assume she meant economically, as she's actually not all that far right on ethical issues, but I don't know for sure. Now I know Obama's policies pretty well, but I'll admit I don't know his stance on every single subject. Is there actually something behind this argument, or is she just talking out of her ass. For reference, our family is middle class, maybe slightly leaning upwards but not by much. My sis and I live with my mom, who makes about $60,000 a year, in a suburban area. I just graduated from a good liberal arts college and am on the hunt for a job and an apartment, and my sis just finished her first year at a different one. But if it wasn't for loans and scholarships, it's doubtful we could've gone there.We both went to private Catholic grade and high schools. I don't know how much my dad and stepmom make, but I'm sure they each make more than what my mom does, maybe considerably. But they certainly don't make 6 figures each or anything like that. They live in their own house, again in a suburban area.

    So looking at that story, I don't see anything that would be negatively effected by an Obama presidency. The only thing I can possibly think is that my dad and stepmom just barely fall into the bracket of the Bush tax cuts, but I don't think they make that much even combined. So I'm stumped here, and I need help from my fellow DUers in the form of

    1. Is there anything at all to her statement at all that I should know of, so I'm not blindsided? Any Obama policy that could negatively effect a family in our situation?

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    2. Any ideas for a counter-argument I can throw back at her if she uses that line again.

    Thanks guys!
    Ummm... she's already said Dad & Step Mom are Republicans. So my guess is, they understand that the socialism BO is promising will only make people more dependent on government, JMO. Sounds like Step Mom understands socialism and marxism(which is what I classify BO as) fail everywhere it's been tried.
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    Dbd claims to love his/ her stepmom, yet apparently sees nothing wrong with calling her a 'Rethug.' Why not just call her a Republican or conservative?
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    nankerphelge (813 posts) Sun Jun-15-08 10:54 PM
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    5. You said all that needs to be said with this statement...
    Edited on Sun Jun-15-08 10:55 PM by nankerphelge
    "my stepmom is one of those people who adamantly believes she is right and refuses to believe otherwise unless absolutely, 100% proven wrong." The people that are still driving around with W stickers on their car have no ability to think critically. Therefore, they default to the easy solution, i.e., W (and what will soon be McCain) is right and everything that contradicts this is wrong regardless of the facts. I doubt she has any basis for her statement about Obama other than this mentality and the Fox News talking point of the day (HE DIDN'T HAVE ON A LAPEL FLAG PIN!) There was actually an interesting book that talked about the psychology behind this phenomenon out a couple years ago... wish I could remember the name/author.
    baldguy (1000+ posts) Sun Jun-15-08 11:03 PM
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    7. "...against everything that your life is based on."
    Like DEFENDING the Constitution instead of shredding it? Like making sure we go to war as a LAST resort rather than the first? Like supporting policies that UNITE OUR FRIENDS and DIVIDE OUR ENEMIES instead of the other way around?

    Seems the GOP is REALLY "against everything that your life is based on."

    The GOP is intent on destroying the middle class. The GOP is responsible for shipping jobs overseas. The GOP is responsible for $4+ per gal gas. The GOP is responsible for poisoned air, poisoned water, poisoned food, poisoned consumer products, etc. The GOP is responsible for higher state & local taxes. The GOP is responsible for the mortgage crisis. The GOP is responsible for allowing America to be attacked by terrorists. The GOP is responsible for 10,000+ American deaths, and 1,000,000+ Iraqi deaths.

    The Democratic Party - and Barack Obama - ISN'T.

    There are only three reasons to vote against Obama: racism, extreme wealth, or plain stupidity. Which catagory does step-mom fall into?
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    How delusional.

    There's only one half way reasonable comment that acknowledges that there are simply differences in philosophy, beliefs and priorities between liberals and conservatives and that it isn't racism or simply being dumb which is the usual DU fall back since many of them feel the need to demonize "the enemy".
    TexanDem (712 posts) Mon Jun-16-08 01:05 AM
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    21. Here's my guess from having a whole lot of Republican friends & family... >>
    Living in Texas, it seems I'm the outcast politically speaking. But be that as it may - most of the Republicans I know (probably all more in your mother-in-law's age group than yours - I'm guessing) are against a Dem candidate because of value things such as abortion, gay rights, prayer in school, government handouts to people who can work for it (the old pull yourself up by the bootstrap mentality), efforts to take "God" out of the pledge, "handing everything over to the illegals," -- these things seem to go against their moral fiber. I really don't think it's racial. It could have something to do with his "Muslim" name -- just about all the Republicans I know, that bothers them. They still worry about him not saying the pledge. And they still bring up Wright and the 20-years bit. So, that's my guess where she's at.
    There's not much you can do to convince them otherwise, at least that I've found, and I've tried everything I know. I do try to weed out the false things, like the pledge and the "Muslim," and make comparisons to Wright with radical evangelists, but all the rest is still there. The approach I'm trying now is saying, "Look, you don't have to be a Democrat to support him. Many, many Republicans are moving over to support him because McCain is so bad. They know they will never agree 100% with any one candidate. They'll never give up their party, they're just realizing that Obama is trying to unite us all, bring Dems and Republicans together and has even said he will almost surely have a few Republicans in his cabinet."
    Otherwise, my advice is to be gentle, and don't push. It's not worth the friction in the family. Many in my circle, we have to just avoid the topic of politics-- and usually religion, too. Their couple of votes won't mean he'll lose.
    Good luck
    Progs Rock (1000+ posts) Mon Jun-16-08 07:57 AM
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    27. Just gloat, "Ha ha! Your guy is going to lose like so much Bob Dole!"
    "Sucks to be you! The Hope Train is leaving the station."

    You can't reason with willful ignorance.
    Yea, that'll work.
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    But ever since my sis and I began openly and vigorously supporting Barack Obama, it definitely has seemed to irk both of them a bit,
    Most parents worry when their children join a cult.

    And the fact that you're spouting off about Obama when they'd just as soon be smart and shy away from political discussions in the interest of civility proves what a typical asshat DUmmie you are.
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    BHO is a marxist. He will be overseer of the dismantling of the Nation as a military and economic superpower.
    The retread motto of the Carter era, "Are you better off now than you were 4 years ago?" will be resounding coast to coast in 2012.........and you won't find anyone who voted for BHO.
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    Jobs are being shipped overseas because of increased taxation...especially corporate taxes. Who does DU think an increase in corporate taxes hurt? The consumers.
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