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    Mike Huckabee/ Mitt Romney. But it is still 4 years from now, many things can happen between now and then.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by wiegenlied View Post
    Mike Huckabee/ Mitt Romney. But it is still 4 years from now, many things can happen between now and then.
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    Back when I pointed out that Obama would be the nominee (at the beginning of the primaries) because Democrats always try to pick new faces when they don't have an incumbent for the ticket, I also pointed out that Republicans tend to pick the person who they perceive as having paid their dues during the previous campaign. The pattern is Nixon in 1968, Reagan in 1980 (after running against Ford in '76), Bush 41 in '88 (as Reagan's veep and also Reagan's previous primary adversary), Dole in '96 (Ford's veep, primary also ran in 1980) and McCain in 2008 (Bush 43's primary opponent in 2000). The sole exception to that is Bush 43. The point is, we always nominate someone who made their bones in the previous election cycles. That means either Romney, as the second place finisher in the 2008 primaries or Palin, but Huckabee and Giuliani also have a shot. Republicans like to vet their candidates. Now, of these, Palin has the highest profile and is the most conservative as a governor (Romney is weak on abortion, but very strong on executive experience, but after a full term and a half as governor of Alaska, Palin will have more experience to offer, and Huckabee was weak on the tax issue, another Palin strength). Giuliani has too much baggage in terms of socially liberal positions to appeal to the party mainstream, although he did do very well as a convention speaker.

    The vice president is a purely tactical pick, the goal being to provide someone who does no harm to the ticket and who can provide the kinds of barbed shots that the presidential candidate can't without seeming petty. The veep is the campaign's attack dog. Despite the media attacks on her, and the perceptions of the most liberal members of CU, Palin met both criteria. She energized the Republican base and actually did the attack dog job fairly well, and would have been more effective if the campaign had used her more. The point is that the veep has to be someone who can deliver a good, mean soundbyte and who is perceived as a viable alternate to the top of the ticket, in that order. If Giuliani didn't alienate so many conservatives, he'd be perfect.

    My prediction is that Palin will be the nominee, with someone out of the senate as her veep choice, possibly John Cornyn of TX (solid conservative and a good senator who easily held his seat this year). Bobby Jindal is a longshot, both as the nominee and as the veep, since he's never run for president before, and you don't need two governors on the ticket.

    (Oh, and if Obama governs the way that I think he will, then expect a serious primary challenge from Hillary, similar to Teddy Kennedy's challenge of Carter in 1980).
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    Quote Originally Posted by wiegenlied View Post
    Mike Huckabee/ Mitt Romney. But it is still 4 years from now, many things can happen between now and then.
    Please....Huck is funny(best left on TV) Mitt looks like a Ken doll w/ plastic hair...
    Say what ya mean and get to the point quick....I don't have the attention span to listen to bullshit...

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ree View Post
    Please....Huck is funny(best left on TV) Mitt looks like a Ken doll w/ plastic hair...
    A losing ticket before they ever declared. Not that they would ever run together anyway. Maybe he was trying to be funny of somethin.

    What's up wiegenlied? Were you trying to be funny?
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    If the economy recovers during Obama's first term-- which it probably will-- then Obama will win in a landslide in 2012. The Obama get-out-the-vote effort is phenomenal. Obama supporters will crawl over broken glass to vote for him. ... Especially with all these names I'm hearing tossed around. Palin? Romney? Jindal? Newt!?!?!?:eek: You gotta be kidding me.

    What Republicans don't seem to understand is that religious/evangelical Christian conservativism is dead in America. Everywhere except in the Deep South, it appears. The GOP has now become a regional party.

    You Repubs have fucked up so bad, that even affluent, educated voters have now become Democrats. You all don't seem to realize that America has undergone a political realignment.
    Affluent Voters Key to Obama Victory
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    Quote Originally Posted by xavierob82 View Post
    If the economy recovers during Obama's first term-- which it probably will-- then Obama will win in a landslide in 2012. The Obama get-out-the-vote effort is phenomenal. Obama supporters will crawl over broken glass to vote for him. ... Especially with all these names I'm hearing tossed around. Palin? Romney? Jindal? Newt!?!?!?:eek: You gotta be kidding me.

    What Republicans don't seem to understand is that religious/evangelical Christian conservativism is dead in America. Everywhere except in the Deep South, it appears. The GOP has now become a regional party.

    You Repubs have fucked up so bad, that even affluent, educated voters have now become Democrats. You all don't seem to realize that America has undergone a political realignment.
    Affluent Voters Key to Obama Victory
    I'll bet you're not affluent.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by xavierob82 View Post
    If the economy recovers during Obama's first term-- which it probably will-- then Obama will win in a landslide in 2012.
    That is pretty much all there is too it. As the economy goes, so will he. The rest of the stuff is fluff. The wallet is number 1 and the number 1 decider of the vote.

    I would not agree that he could ever win in a landslide. The magic negro novelty has 4, likely painful years to wear off. There is many a slip betwixt a cup and a lip. He is not even in office and people are wondering why he hasnt gotten anything done.

    Yes, he will lift the ban on stem cell research with executive order and the msm and holly wood elite will croon.

    No, no one really cares. They care about their wallet.

    If gas is 5 bucks a gallon, President X is gone; stem cells or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xavierob82 View Post
    What Republicans don't seem to understand is that religious/evangelical Christian conservativism is dead in America. Everywhere except in the Deep South, it appears. The GOP has now become a regional party.


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    Quote Originally Posted by xavierob82 View Post
    What Republicans don't seem to understand is that religious/evangelical Christian conservativism is dead in America. Everywhere except in the Deep South, it appears. The GOP has now become a regional party.
    As evidenced by Proposition 8 and Amendment 2. Couldn't pull off a win in one of the most liberal states in the Union. People voted their Conservative values.
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