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    I am puzzled, noonwitch. We "neocons" are always maligned and attacked by liberals as "Bible-thumpers."
    They call us "right wing religious extremists." We're "ignorance waving the Bible."

    1. Have you ever heard liberals call themselves the exact counterpoint, i.e. "left wing atheist extremists"? I haven't.

    2. Liberals tell us they are so very smart - much, much smarter than us "Bible-thumpers" who "reject science."
    Where does that leave you, as a liberal Bible-thumper?

    Incidentally, I sent a letter to atheist Isaac Asimov's publisher regarding many errors of ignorance in his book, Counting the Eons.
    The longhair, and now dead, Isaac responded to me personally on a postcard, calling me "silly." He failed to address any of his glaring errors in his book, however. I sold his postcard online at eBay for $50 and a Carl Sagan letter of similar origin for $75. Nor did I ever buy any of either atheist/agnostic's books, but rather checked them out at the library. Isaac Asimov became an atheist after he flunked a high school exam, after praying to God to pass it. Evidently prayer was easier than studying. So after failing, Asimov, in his inimitable genius, decided to "show" God by forever renouncing Him. Asimov was SO SMART that he would never fly commercial aviation, afraid that his aircraft would crash. Nobody told him that commercial aviation is 10 times safer per passenger mile than driving.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChemicalEngineer View Post
    I am puzzled, noonwitch. We "neocons" are always maligned and attacked by liberals as "Bible-thumpers."
    They call us "right wing religious extremists." We're "ignorance waving the Bible."

    1. Have you ever heard liberals call themselves the exact counterpoint, i.e. "left wing atheist extremists"? I haven't.

    2. Liberals tell us they are so very smart - much, much smarter than us "Bible-thumpers" who "reject science."
    Where does that leave you, as a liberal Bible-thumper?

    Incidentally, I sent a letter to atheist Isaac Asimov's publisher regarding many errors of ignorance in his book, Counting the Eons.
    The longhair, and now dead, Isaac responded to me personally on a postcard, calling me "silly." He failed to address any of his glaring errors in his book, however. I sold his postcard online at eBay for $50 and a Carl Sagan letter of similar origin for $75. Nor did I ever buy any of either atheist/agnostic's books, but rather checked them out at the library. Isaac Asimov became an atheist after he flunked a high school exam, after praying to God to pass it. Evidently prayer was easier than studying. So after failing, Asimov, in his inimitable genius, decided to "show" God by forever renouncing Him. Asimov was SO SMART that he would never fly commercial aviation, afraid that his aircraft would crash. Nobody told him that commercial aviation is 10 times safer per passenger mile than driving.

    I'm not a liberal who thinks she is smarter than everyone else. I suck at math and science, that is why I am a social worker. LOL. The smartest person I knew growing up in that sense was my grandpa, who was a Ford engineer and who invented the Cam-loc ratchet wrench, if you know what that is. He was a conservative, who was highly successful in life even though he never even graduated from high school (he knocked Grandma up and had to drop out and go to work-to the day he died, he said she tricked him). But he did go to Cass Tech High School in Detroit for a couple of years, and took engineering classes. I grew up in Grand Rapids, which was pretty conservative when I was a kid. So I grew up respecting people who held different opinions from my parents.

    My parents were big fans of Carl Sagan and Cosmos, though. I have Sagan's book from the original series, I don't claim to understand everything in it, but it's a good reference book. I really am not familiar with any of Asimov's work, other than I know he was a Sci/fi writer and I'm more into the fantasy end of the genre. I grew up in the liberal church (UCC) and they accept evolution. I just don't worry too much about it. God is God. Science is science. My abilities are more in tune with Bible study than scientific study. I don't know if I'm exactly a liberal Bible thumper, but I participate in women's Bible study through my church, which is not the UCC. I go to a non-political, evangelical church, that has a mix of liberals and conservatives.

    As a social worker and observer of human behavior in general, I have noticed that most famous people don't like being told they are wrong. It's not abnormal for them to project back on the one who points out their errors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noonwitch View Post

    As a social worker and observer of human behavior in general, I have noticed that most famous people don't like being told they are wrong. It's not abnormal for them to project back on the one who points out their errors.
    “Valid criticism does you a favor.” – Carl Sagan, Demon Haunted World, p 32
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    Is this thread something that would have been created by a "DUmpster"?


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    This just proves this tool is a leftist. First the elitist comment and 2nd, this one. They start shit then cry that they're being bullied. As I said, this person (ChemicalEngineer) is DUmpster if there ever was one.


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    After Seeing The Impossibility Of Evolution, These Scientists Made The Following Observations:

    “To grasp the reality of life as it has been revealed by molecular biology, we must magnify a cell a thousand million times until it is twenty kilometers in diameter and resembles a giant airship large enough to cover a great city like London or New York. What we would then see would be an object of unparalleled complexity and adaptive design. On the surface of the cell we would see millions of openings, like port holes of a vast space ship, opening and closing to allow a continual stream of materials to flow in and out. If we were to enter one of these openings we would find ourselves in a world of supreme technology and bewildering complexity… Is it really credible that random processes could have constructed a reality, the smallest element of which - a functional protein or gene - is complex beyond our own creative capacities, a reality which is the very antithesis of chance, which excels in every sense anything produced by the intelligence of man?" - Michael Denton, Evolution: A Theory in Crisis (Bethesda, Maryland: Adler and Adler, 1985), pp. 328,342

    "Evolution can be thought of as sort of a magical religion. Magic is simply an effect without a cause, or at least a competent cause. 'Chance,' 'time,' and 'nature,' are the small gods enshrined at evolutionary temples. Yet these gods cannot explain the origin of life. These gods are impotent. Thus, evolution is left without competent cause and is, therefore, only a magical explanation for the existence of life..." (Dr. Randy L. Wysong, instructor of human anatomy and physiology, The Creation-Evolution Controversy, pg. 418.)

    "After chiding the theologian for his reliance on myth and miracle, science found itself in the unenviable position of having to create mythology of its own: namely, the assumption that what, after long effort, could not be proved to take place today had, in truth, taken place in the primeval past." (Dr. Loren Eiseley, anthropologist, The Immense Journey, pg. 144.)

    "Evolution is a fairy tale for grown-ups." (Dr. Duane Gish, Biochemist.)

    "Evolution is a fairy tale for adults." (Dr. Paul LeMoine, one of the most prestigious scientists in the world)

    "Evolution is a fairy tale for grown-ups. This theory has helped nothing in the progress of science. It is useless." (Prof. Louis Bounoure, Director of Research, National Center of Scientific Research.)

    "The evolution theory is purely the product of the imagination." (Dr. Ambrose Flemming, Pres. Philosophical Society of Great Britain)

    "The Darwinian theory of descent has not a single fact to confirm it in the realm of nature. It is not the result of scientific research but purely the product of the imagination." (Albert Fleishman, professor of zoology & comparative anatomy at Erlangen University)

    "We have had enough of the Darwinian fallacy. It is time we cry, "The emperor has no clothes." (Dr. Hsu, geologist at the Geological Institute in Zurich.)

    "The great cosmologic myth of the twentieth century." (Dr. Michael Denton, molecular biochemist, Evolution: A Theory in Crisis.)

    "Nine tenths of the talk of evolution is sheer nonsense not founded on observation and wholly unsupported by fact. This Museum is full of proof of the utter falsity of their view." (Dr. Ethredge, British Museum of Science.)

    "We have now the remarkable spectacle that just when many scientific men are agreed that there is no part of the Darwinian system that is of any great influence, and that, as a whole, the theory is not only unproved, but impossible, the ignorant, half-educated masses have acquired the idea that it is to be accepted as a fundamental fact." (Dr. Thomas Dwight, famed professor at Harvard University)

    "I believe that one day the Darwinian myth will be ranked the greatest deceit in the history of science. When this happens, many people will pose the question, "How did this ever happen?" (Dr. Sorren Luthrip, Swedish Embryologist)

    "The more one studies paleontology, the more certain one becomes that evolution is based upon faith alone; exactly the same sort of faith which is necessary to have when one encounters the great mysteries of religion....The only alternative is the doctrine of special creation, which may be true, but irrational." (Dr. Louis T. More, professor of paleontology at Princeton University)

    "Evolution is faith, a religion." (Dr. Louist T. More, professor of paleontology at Princeton University)

    "Darwin's theory of evolution is the last of the great nineteenth-century mystery religions. And as we speak it is now following Freudians and Marxism into the Nether regions, and I'm quite sure that Freud, Marx and Darwin are commiserating one with the other in the dark dungeon where discarded gods gather." (Dr. David Berlinski)

    "In fact, evolution became in a sense a scientific religion; almost all scientists have accepted it and many are prepared to "bend" their observations to fit in with it." (H.S. Lipson, Physicist Looks at Evolution, Physics Bulletin 31 (1980), p. 138)

    "A time honored scientific tenet of faith." (Professor David Allbrook)

    "Darwinism has become our culture's official creation myth, protected by a priesthood as dogmatic as any religious curia." (Nancy Pearcey, Creation Mythology, pg. 23)

    "When students of other sciences ask us what is now currently believed about the origin of species, we have no clear answer to give. Faith has given way to agnosticism. Meanwhile, though our faith in evolution stands unshaken we have no acceptable account of the origin of species." (Dr. William Bateson, great geneticist of Cambridge)

    "Chance renders evolution impossible." (Dr. James Coppedge)

    "It (evolution) is sustained largely by a propaganda campaign that relies on all the usual tricks of rhetorical persuasion: hidden assumptions, question-begging statements of what is at issue, terms that are vaguely defined and change their meaning in midargument, attacks of straw men, selective citation of evidence, and so on. The theory is also protected by its cultural importance. It is the officially sanctioned creation story to modern society, and publicly funded educational authorities spare no effort to persuade people to believe it." (Professor Phillip Johnson, "Objections Sustained: Subversive Essays on Evolution, Law and Culture," pg. 9)

    "Therefore, a grotesque account of a period some thousands of years ago is taken seriously though it be built by piling special assumptions on special assumptions, ad hoc hypothesis [invented for a purpose] on ad hoc hypothesis, and tearing apart the fabric of science whenever it appears convenient. The result is a fantasia which is neither history nor science." (Dr. James Conant [chemist and former president of Harvard University], quoted in Origins Research, Vol. 5, No. 2, 1982, p. 2.)

    "George Bernard Shaw wisecracked once that Darwin had the luck to please everybody who had an axe to grind. Well, I also have an axe to grind, but I am not pleased. We have suffered through two world wars and are threatened by an Armageddon. We have had enough of the Darwinian fallacy. (Dr. Kenneth Hsu, "Reply," Geology, 15 (1987), p. 177)

    "Unfortunately for Darwin's future reputation, his life was spent on the problem of evolution which is deductive by nature...It is absurd to expect that many facts will not always be irreconcilable with any theory of evolution and, today, every one of his theories is contradicted by facts." (Dr. P.T. Mora, The Dogma of Evolution, p. 194)

    "Ultimately the Darwinian theory of evolution is no more nor less than the great cosmogenic myth of the twentieth century...The origin of life and of new beings on earth is still largely as enigmatic as when Darwin set sail on the [ship] Beagle." (Dr. Michael Denton, molecular biochemist, Evolution: A Theory in Crisis (1986), p. 358.)

    "It is inherent in any definition of science that statements that cannot be checked by observation are not really saying anything or at least they are not science." (George G. Simpson, "The Nonprevalence of Humanoids," in Science, 143 (1964) p. 770.)

    "The theory [of evolution] is a scientific mistake." (Dr. Louis Agassiz, quoted in H. Enoch, Evolution or Creation, (1966), p. 139. [Agassiz was a Harvard University professor and the pioneer in glaciation.]

    "There is no evidence, scientific or otherwise, to support the theory of evolution." (Sir Cecil Wakely)
    "It's impossible by micro-mutation to form any new species." (Dr. Richard Goldschmt, evolutionist. Founder of the "Hopeful Monster" theory.)

    "Scientists who utterly reject Evolution may be one of our fastest growing controversial minorities...Many of the scientists supporting this position hold impressive credentials in science." (Larry Hatfield, "Educators Against Darwin," Science Digest Special, Winter, pp. 94-96.)

    "The theory of life that undermined ninteenth-century religion has virtually become a religion itself and in its turn is being threatened by fresh ideas...In the past ten years has emerged a new breed of biologists who are scientifically respectable, but who have their doubts about Darwinism." (Dr. B. Leith, scientist)

    "The likelihood of the formation of life from inanimate matter is one to a number with 40,000 nought's after it...It is big enough to bury Darwin and the whole theory of Evolution. There was no primeval soup, neither on this planet nor on any other, and if the beginnings of life were not random, they must therefore have been the product of purposeful intelligence." (Sir Fred Hoyle, highly respected British physicist and astronomer)

    "Everyone who is seriously interested in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the universe a spirit vastly superior to man, and one in the face of which our modest powers must feel humble." (Albert Einstein)

    "Unfortunately, in the field of evolution most explanations are not good. As a matter of fact, they hardly qualify as explanations at all; they are suggestions, hunches, pipe dreams, hardly worthy of being called hypotheses." (Dr. Norman Macbeth, Darwin Retried (1971), p. 147)

    "Evolution is baseless and quite incredible." (Dr. John Ambrose Fleming, President, British Association for Advancement of Science, in "The Unleashing of Evolutionary Thought")

    "The fact is that the evidence was so patchy one hundred years ago that even Darwin himself had increasing doubts as to the validity of his views, and the only aspect of his theory which has received any support over the past century is where it applies to microevolutionary phenomena. His general theory, that all life on earth had originated and evolved by a gradual successive accumulation of fortuitous mutations, is still, as it was in Darwin's time, a highly speculative hypothesis entirely without direct factual support and very far from that self-evident axiom some of its more aggressive advocates would have us believe." (Dr. Michael Denton, Evolution: A Theory in Crisis (1986), p. 77)

    "I have always been slightly suspicious of the theory of evolution because of its ability to account for any property of living beings (the long neck of the giraffe, for example). I have therefore tried to see whether biological discoveries over the last thirty years or so fit in with Darwin's theory. I do not think that they do. To my mind, the theory does not stand up at all." (H. Lipson, "A Physicist Looks at Evolution," Physic Bulletin, 31 (1980), p. 138.)

    "In conclusion, evolution is not observable, repeatable, or refutable, and thus does not qualify as either a scientific fact or theory." (Dr. David N. Menton, PhD in Biology from Brown University)
    "The success of Darwinism was accomplished by a decline in scientific integrity." (Dr. W.R. Thompson, world renowned Entomologist)

    "I myself am convinced that the theory of evolution, especially to the extant that it's been applied, will be one of the greatest jokes in the history books of the future. Posterity will marvel that so flimsy and dubious a hypothesis could be accepted with the incredible credulity that it has." (Malcolm Muggeridge)

    "There are gaps in the fossil graveyard, places where there should be intermediate forms, but where there is nothing whatsoever instead. No paleontologist..denies that this is so. It is simply a fact, Darwin's theory and the fossil record are in conflict." (Dr. David Berlinski)

    "Scientists concede that their most cherished theories are based on embarrassingly few fossil fragments and that huge gaps exist in the fossil record." (Time Magazine, Nov. 7, 1977)

    "Contrary to what most scientists write, the fossil record does not support the Darwinian theory of evolution because it is this theory which we use to interpret the fossil record. By doing so we are guilty of circular reasoning if we then say the fossil record supports this theory." (Dr. Ronald R. West)

    "The evolutionary establishment fears creation science, because evolution itself crumbles when challenged by evidence. In the 1970s and 1980s, hundreds of public debates were arranged between evolutionary scientists and creation scientists. The latter scored resounding victories, with the result that, today, few evolutionists will debate. Isaac Asimov, Stephen Jay Gould, and the late Carl Sagan, while highly critical of creationism, all declined to debate." (Dr. James Perloff, Tornado in a Junkyard (1999), p. 241)

    "I doubt if there is any single individual within the scientific community who could cope with the full range of [creationist] arguments without the help of an army of consultants in special fields." (David M. Raup, "Geology and Creation," Bulletin of the Field Museum of Natural History, Vol. 54, March 1983, p. 18)
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