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    Social conservatism is taking a beating lately. Not only did it lose in the recent elections, it is being blamed for the Republican losses. If only the religious right would get off the Republican Party's back, the GOP could win like it is supposed to again. I beg to differ.


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    When the day comes that the only thing between me and liberty are some Bible-quoting know-it-alls, I'll reconsider. But right now, there are a lot of things between me and liberty, and the "religious right" is not one of them. In fact, I see them voting for more liberty, not less. If the Republican Party ever decides it really wants to be the party of liberty, rather than the slower-road-to-socialism party, I'll gladly join the religious right there.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/..._of_socia.html



    The article is really worth a read.
    I long for the days when our President actually liked our country.
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    I have to take issue with this article a little bit...

    First off, how about this disingenuous little nugget:

    Abortion, sodomy, and pornography are now all Constitutional rights. However, praying in public school is outlawed, based on that same Constitution.
    Again praying in public school IS NOT outlawed. And last time I checked, abortion, sodomy and pornography sessions are still frowned upon activities for the classroom or playground. The kids can organize themselves and pray, however.

    This whole prayer thing is such a farce. I assume most people who make a big deal about it do actually take the time to teach their kids about their religion, and teach them to pray. So what is the use of guided school prayer if not to indoctrinate children whose parents have chosen not teach them about religion and prayer? How is that not stepping on the liberty of others?

    I somewhat agree with his points overall, but I think in the past 8 years social conservatives have displayed a troubling zeal for letting the government usurp civil liberties in the name of the war on terror... the war on drugs for even longer than that.... this isnt even getting into all the other social conservative pet issues like stem cells... so its hard to see his point about the left getting in the way of liberty more than the social conservative. Social conservatives are right when it comes to taxes and guns and thats about it, IMHO. As for choosing the worst of the two evils (liberal or social consrevative)... well it aint easy..
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    The only aspect of conservatism of redeeming value is fiscal conservatism.

    The whole point of social conservatism is to get the gullible bible-bangers and low-information voters to vote Republican, since when it comes to fiscal policy, the two parties really aren't much different. As a matter of fact, when you compare side-by-side the Clinton and Bush Administrations, it the Democrats who are the real fiscal conservatives.

    In other words, without the bible-banging sheep and those who think the Earth is 6000 years old, there would be no such thing as the Republican Party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xavierob82 View Post
    The only aspect of conservatism of redeeming value is fiscal conservatism.

    The whole point of social conservatism is to get the gullible bible-bangers and low-information voters to vote Republican, since when it comes to fiscal policy, the two parties really aren't much different. As a matter of fact, when you compare side-by-side the Clinton and Bush Administrations, it the Democrats who are the real fiscal conservatives.

    In other words, without the bible-banging sheep and those who think the Earth is 6000 years old, there would be no such thing as the Republican Party.

    ? The Christian community routinely voted Democrat prior to Reagan. It was the Southern baptists that were responsible for the Civil rights movements.
    Bush is conservative in name only. His policies resembled liberal socialism...which is what we got for 8 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Molon Labe View Post
    ? The Christian community routinely voted Democrat prior to Reagan. It was the Southern baptists that were responsible for the Civil rights movements.
    Bush is conservative in name only. His policies resembled liberal socialism...which is what we got for 8 years.
    Funny how they miss that.

    We conservatives have been howling at Bush's fiscal policies since he was elected. The only thing he really got our support on was the WOT and taxes.


    That is what is so ridiculous about Obama's call for change. He simply is going to do MORE of everything Bush did EXCEPT what Bush did right!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by xavierob82 View Post
    The only aspect of conservatism of redeeming value is fiscal conservatism.

    The whole point of social conservatism is to get the gullible bible-bangers and low-information voters to vote Republican, since when it comes to fiscal policy, the two parties really aren't much different. As a matter of fact, when you compare side-by-side the Clinton and Bush Administrations, it the Democrats who are the real fiscal conservatives.

    In other words, without the bible-banging sheep and those who think the Earth is 6000 years old, there would be no such thing as the Republican Party.
    Wow, tamponboy, you sure like to harp on this little error.
    I'm a "Republican" (by registration anyway), I think the earth is about 4.5 billion years old and I've never read a bible.

    That kind of makes you look like a broad brushing IDIOT, don't it?

    rm -rf obama*
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    Thanks for posting CS
    Great article about the state we're in.
    I especially feel similar to the this last part.



    When the day comes that the only thing between me and liberty are some Bible-quoting know-it-alls, I'll reconsider. But right now, there are a lot of things between me and liberty, and the "religious right" is not one of them. In fact, I see them voting for more liberty, not less. If the Republican Party ever decides it really wants to be the party of liberty, rather than the slower-road-to-socialism party, I'll gladly join the religious right there.
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    "When you say "radical right" today, I think of these moneymaking ventures by fellows like Pat Robertson and others who are trying to take the Republican party and make a religious organization out of it. If that ever happens, kiss politics goodbye."

    -Barry Goldwater :D
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    Quote Originally Posted by marinejcksn View Post
    "When you say "radical right" today, I think of these moneymaking ventures by fellows like Pat Robertson and others who are trying to take the Republican party and make a religious organization out of it. If that ever happens, kiss politics goodbye."

    -Barry Goldwater :D

    There are a few of those, but they really are few and far between.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Molon Labe View Post
    Thanks for posting CS
    Great article about the state we're in.
    I especially feel similar to the this last part.
    I liked that part also, but I have chosen to hold my nose and support them in hopes of slowing the rush to socialism - hopefully giving us conservatives enough time to get our shit together and reclaim our party.
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