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    Default 11-03-2009, 11:14 PM
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    So. I and my employees would give them free reign to dictate to us how the shop should be run and how I should base my pay scale? Shouldn't all that be left to the business owner and not an outside party? Under a union plan, which basically is not looking out for me, would more than likely handcuff me to make dire choices!
    No - it would be something agreed upon between you and them.
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    Default 11-03-2009, 11:17 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by PoliCon View Post
    No - it would be something agreed upon between you and them.
    So basically, there really is no use for them! I can agree on pay and working conditions myself, and have been. Why would I , or my employees want a third party in there with there own agenda? There is no use for them except to hurt a business.

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    Default 11-03-2009, 11:21 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by patriot45 View Post
    So basically, there really is no use for them! I can agree on pay and working conditions myself, and have been. Why would I , or my employees want a third party in there with there own agenda? There is no use for them except to hurt a business.
    Damn it man - that's the point - it wouldn't be a third party if it's contained completely IN HOUSE! lol
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    Default 11-03-2009, 11:28 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by PoliCon View Post
    Damn it man - that's the point - it wouldn't be a third party if it's contained completely IN HOUSE! lol
    So, in effect, I would be the union, or my guys can form a union!?! Either way it would be status quo, what I say goes, and that is usually in thier favor. So we will just call it a single shop without a union!

    I think I kinda understand what you are getting at. But I am of the mind that an owner of a busines, if he wants to stay in business, he has to be effective not only in competitive pricing for his products, but for treating and paying his employees competitively. If I don't do both, I will lose sales and would lose employees to a less regulated shop.

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    Default 11-04-2009, 02:25 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by PoliCon View Post
    Damn it man - that's the point - it wouldn't be a third party if it's contained completely IN HOUSE! lol
    Sounds more like a worker participation plan, rather then a union.
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    Default 11-04-2009, 12:52 PM
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    I think unions can be effective STILL - provided they are SMALL and the bosses are unpaid.
    Sure they can be "effective." They effectively shut down production and move companies out of state or overseas. They effectively raise wages above sustainable levels and refuse to negotiate realistic solutions. They effectively control the management who took ALL the risk and created the business in the first place.

    I suppose my anti-union feelings are showing?
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    Default 11-04-2009, 04:23 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by RobJohnson View Post
    Sounds more like a worker participation plan, rather then a union.
    Which is what a union is supposed to be - ideally.
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