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    Trump education secretary Betsy DeVos tears up Obama's rules on campus sex assault investigations

    Source: Daily Mail

    Trump Education Secretary Betsy DeVos tore up Obama's rules on investigating campus sex assault claims Thursday, saying they had been 'weaponized' and had led to people being wrongly accused.

    DeVos said there would now be months of consultation on new rules which she said had to offer protection to the 'falsely accused' and respect 'due process'. There were protests outside as she spoke at George Mason University in Arlington, VA, in an indication that her moves are likely to prove controversial.

    Dev Vos offered a lengthy critique of how the Obama administration had ordered campuses to enforce Title IX legislation, saying it had failed to offer justice. Speaking at the Atonin Scalia Law School, named for the late conservative Supreme Court justice, she said ''the era of 'rule by letter' is over,'' as she announced plans to review and replace the way colleges and university handle investigations.

    The Obama administration guidance was originally delivered in a letter to schools. She says it has failed many students and done a 'disservice to everyone involved.'


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    Yupster (13,874 posts)

    21. Rape and sexual assault are very serious crimes

    They should be investigated by the police and tried in court.

    Colleges do not have the expertise or resources to do a fair job of this.

    If I am falsely accused of rape I want to have a lawyer. I want to be able to face my accuser and I want to be tried by a jury.

    The standards colleges are using are not fair. You can be thrown out of school without ever getting to hear exactly what you're being accused of and you're judged by a panel of professors, administrators and students. And all without a lawyer in the room with you.

    No thanks to kangaroo courts ruining a young man's life.

    Colleges have no business being involved with serious crimes. We already have a long established process that works to handle that and it has nothing to do with college students or professors deciding punishments.

    On edit -- someone explain to me why we're so willing to throw away all rules of due process in this case? If the crime is bad enough, the accused loses his rights? How can that be?
    But many are fine with it.

    Thrill (18,188 posts)

    1. Besides just being Evil

    What do they gain from this. Hateful ass person
    DeltaLitProf (671 posts)

    9. Asinine

    These conservatives would be quick to tell you that attending college is not a right but a privilege. If college is not a basic right, that means colleges are not bound by the same standards as criminal courts in their decisions of who is allowed to attend.

    In addition, colleges are a special circumstance in which young people are much more vulnerable to one another than in workplaces or while attending K-12. Most live in dorms. Most have property and cars in more convenient places for thieves and vandals to prey on. They must often attend night classes and walk long distances without protection. The unique environment of a college calls for a different approach to keeping students safe. It demands that colleges not be subject to the standard of "beyond the shadow of a doubt" before making a ruling on whether a student implicated in crime can be expelled.

    But of course Betsy deVos is the instrument of a misogynist groper and con man. She does what she knows will please him. In any circumstance in which rape or sexual assault is alleged, she knows Trump will instinctively side with the perpetrators he feels a kinship with.

    DeVos is an emergency, not just on this front but on many others. Her policies have to be fought in order to preserve the safety and integrity of the college experience. She must be publically shamed for her siding against student safety and for perpetrators of campus crime.
    Ligyron (2,774 posts)

    11. and this crap is actually coming from a woman?

    I could never understand females who think this way. Over half the women in this country (the ones who voted anyway) voted for Trump. Liberation has yet to reach some people.
    Not all women are OK with college kangaroo courts where the accused isn't allowed an attorney, and sometimes isn't even allowed to speak. Some women believe in DUE PROCESS and a real court proceeding for serious crimes.

    yuiyoshida (23,059 posts)

    12. She is going to fail ever student but the difference is ...

    She is a Republican and doesn't give a flying fuck what happens to students, let them get their own lawyers and carry a gun. That's the Republican way, can't afford a lawyer? too damn bad, can't get a gun? Carry a Kitchen Knife.
    Lots of hate here.
    Motownman78 (291 posts)

    14. Rape is a serious charge

    There has been a lot of "Trials in the court of Public Opinion" lately involving rape and assaults on campus where innocent men and women have been accused of rape or assault. The Duke Lacrosse team is probably the most famous. The rights of both victim and accused should be protected at all costs.
    radicalliberal (854 posts)

    17. It's also true that for decades many instances of rape by athletes and frat rats --

    -- were covered up. There's a long history of this injustice. So, how receptive are sports fans to the notion that victims of rape deserve justice? They're not receptive at all. Actual rape victims, such as the young woman in the Steubenville rape case, can expect to receive death threats from sports fans. But who cares?
    Motownman78 (291 posts)
    18. And someone falsely accused of rape

    Has to deal with that the rest of their lives.

    Maybe have the prison term the same for those who falsely accuse others of rape? Both suffer for the rest of their lives.
    Le Gaucher (357 posts)

    25. Hopefully justice is not denied ..but if it must

    Its, on the whole, preferable that that men go jail. This crime is exclusively perpetrated by men. and if by design/circumstance the law is biased towards the victim rather than perpetrator - then it is not a bad thing.
    Loki Liesmith (1,530 posts)

    27. So you are saying it's preferable for an innocent man to go to jail

    Then for justice to be denied someone else? Because that's what it sounds like.



    Le Gaucher (357 posts)

    34. No .. That is not what Iam saying .

    But if have to err, the benefit of doubt should go to the girl.
    njhoneybadger (637 posts)

    29. 2 words. SICK FUCK!
    Doreen (4,488 posts)

    20. I say take her to a high rape crime area

    leave her there with no phone or protection and then tell her she is lying when she says she got raped. Then just drop her off in front of her house and leave. See how she feels when that has happened to her and no one will listen to her and tell her she is lying and if it did happen it was her fucking fault. That stupid fucking b***h just needs to go to hell. She calls herself a woman? She calls herself a human being?
    radicalliberal (854 posts)

    22. It's all about power and money.

    I suspect that DeVos has a "blame the victim" mentality along with an accompanying bias in favor of overly privileged football players and other athletes in one or more of the most mindlessly popular sports -- After all, tens of millions of dollars are at stake here, doncha know -- and the "image" of fraternities and the image of the college or university. The rape victim is a nobody who certainly is not worth as much as a college athlete or a fraternity member, especially one from a rich family.

    Look at it this way: If a member of the proverbial Chess Club commits rape or participates in a gang rape, there's no doubt he'll be convicted, as he should be. But if an aspiring athlete commits rape, more likely than not the school administration will protect him from the consequences of his crime. (After all, we don't want his career to be ruined, do we?) Yes, there have been false accusations of rape against athletes; and they are absolutely despicable and unforgivable. But I wouldn't be surprised if the number of coverups of actual rapes and gang rapes by athletes way exceeds the number of false accusations. The fact of the matter is that the deck is stacked against young women who have been raped by athletes. If nothing else, just put sports fans in the jury; and you'll get the verdict you want! (By the way, was there a rush at Penn State to expose the pedophile coach Jerry Sandusky? No, there wasn't; and that was because officials of the university were more concerned about protecting the image of the football program than they were over the rape of traumatized young boys who will have to deal with their misery for the rest of their lives! When he was outed at his high school during his senior year, one of Sandusky's rape victims was bullied so badly by fellow students who were Joe Paterno fans that he had to drop out of school before he could graduate!)

    Look at this mess: Betsy DeVos is from a filthy rich family who want to dominate this country and undoubtedly view "the common people" with contempt whose cries for justice should be ignored. Her assistant what's-her-name has publicly declared that 90 percent of rape accusations are false. And then there's Trump -- who, incidentally, according to biographers was a "jock bully" all throughout his adolescence. Does anyone actually believe that he cares about rape victims on college campuses and universities? He probably laughs about it. Does anyone actually believe that something good will come out of this witches' brew of bad actors who have no credibility at all? I certainly don't!

    Future college rape victims are in for a world of hurt. Not only do they suffer the victimization of rape, but they are viciously victimized again for daring to seek justice. They will be left to the mercy of those who are indifferent (if not outright hostile) to rape victims when their assailants happen to belong to the class of over-privilege and excessive wealth.
    All because DeVos thinks that those who are accused of rape should have due process instead of a college kangaroo court where the accused has little recourse and is often railroaded. Colleges have no business adjudicating accusations of rape. I read of at least one instance where the male was accused of rape and the court system found he was 'not guilty", yet the school would not allow him back in school.
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    I hope DU-member "Yupster" has posted lots of loony stuff elsewhere, because posting something so common sense with any regularity could earn him/her an extra-hard pizza. And LPC Noob "Motownman78" is really pushing his luck, citing facts like that! Had M78 dared to mention the fact that Crystal Mangum is currently doing second degree murder time for killing her live-in boyfriend, a BF who might be alive today had she been imprisoned for her false accusation of rape, M78 would have been tombstoned for sure!
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    I realize this is example number 2,532 of Universities railroading falsely accused men (this case does have a twist not to be missed), but this might be an entertaining case to toss into that DU thread.
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