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  1. #1 Should we blame Trump voters? Should we just give up on them? 
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    sharedvalues (3,957 posts)

    Should we blame Trump voters? Should we just give up on them?

    While some argue that we should blame Trump voters, I think we should recognize that all humans are tribal, and that propaganda works.

    I don’t think we should blame Trump voters. We should blame the propagandists and billionaires that manipulated public opinion. Mercer. Murdoch. The Koches. Ryan and McConnell.


    I will always be able to find a way to welcome a GOP voter who repents.

    But I blame GOP billionaires and their propaganda for lying to the GOP voters.


    This puts it well. (And if you haven’t seen the hateful anti-Islamic ads that Bob Mercer paid for, please watch this video. It’s an eye opener.)
    LOL. They're still arguing whether they should reach out to Trump voters.

    JI7 (66,040 posts)

    1. Fuck them, they aren't victims. Why does bigotry appeal to them ?

    sharedvalues (3,957 posts)

    20. Because the GOP propaganda machine lies to them and inspires FEAR.




    of them. Captain Stern 1 hr ago #63
    sharedvalues (3,957 posts)

    40. And they thought Hillary was a warmonger

    Because not just Fox but also Maureen Dowd told this lie.

    And they think Dems are baby killers because the right wing media machine says so.

    And they hear many other lies about Dems- every night on Tucker Carlson and every day on Rush Limbaugh.


    Check out “The brainwashing of my Dad”. Even good people can be corrupted by propaganda.
    They are baby killers. That is exactly what abortion is. Call it any name you want to but it kills an unborn baby.
    KitSileya (3,594 posts)

    59. As a white woman, I can only say thank God white Americans are becoming a minority.

    In 2020, they will be a minority of Americans under 18 years old. The future is diverse and colorful and that is a good thing. White men overwhelmingly vote republican, a majority of white women too, and Trump is their attempt to keep their privileges. They'd like nothing more than formalize apartheid in the USA.

    Any white people who have a problem with not reaching out to Trump voters instead of helping to overcome disenfranchisement of minorities is, to be frank, a part of the problem. We have finite resource. Let's not waste them on Trump voters.
    White liberals are so hot to trot to disparage White people. Just wait until they find out what place "White people" have in the Democrat Party when White people are the minority and have no power. They think because they are liberals that they won't be effected, but history shows that they WILL.

    They think that disparaging White people - because they (liberals) HATE Republicans - who are majority White - is a 'winning' plan. Instead of promoting equality, to liberals it's all about disparaging White people, endless screaming about 'racism' and all it's variants because to uplift one group of people you have to put down those who are seen as being 'up'. Get a clue, idiots, it won't stop with White Republicans.

    sharedvalues (3,957 posts)

    19. Well yes for 2018, turnout is most important

    Luckily, we don't have to persuade anyone to win elections. This is a dem-majority country and we need to stop the GOP from cheating and GOTV. And we will win.

    But on a personal level, when you talk to a Trump voter, I think it's useful to remember most are deeply propagandized, and it's not totally their fault. It's Rupert Murdoch's fault. It's Rush Limbaugh's fault.
    Got that? If you don't agree with the arrogant liberals .... it's because you are stupid and have fallen for 'propaganda'. And they just need to explain themselves better, or break the 'brainwashing'.

    sharedvalues (3,957 posts)

    41. Key: PROPAGANDA. We underrate it.

    First , the most important thing we can do is GOTV.


    But second, we have to attack the right wing propaganda machine. That’s the WHOLE reason the president is still in office and not impeached.
    Lots of Trump voters - not all - are just brainwashed and we can reach them.

    The first step is telling every GOP voter you know that the right wing propaganda machine is lying to them to get votes for billionaires. We can break the propaganda hold by talking to people we know face to face.
    Ahhh, yes, the ol' Marxist/Socialist/Communist platform.........It's the fault of those billionaires. They're out to get you and only by voting Democrat can you change it.
    peggysue2 (1,519 posts)

    27. Fine. They were propagandized. I agree

    But they can now see with their own eyes and lives that the Trumpster has done nothing to improve their circumstances.

    Has King Coal come back to its days of glory? No. And it won't.

    Has their healthcare become what Trump promised? No. And it won't because Trump is a total ignoramus when it comes to healthcare.

    Are their children being better educated. No. In fact, in Red State Oklahoma, the teachers are striking for a living wage and school supplies. Just as the teachers in West Virginia did.

    Are they rolling in money after the cut, cut, cut Tax Reform. No. Because the benefits went to the highest earners.

    Has The Wall been built with Mexican money? No, because it was always a fairytale.

    And the Beat goes on.

    Yes, Fox News is a total propaganda machine as it's been for the last two decades. As is right-wing radio. But Republicans lap it up willingly because it confirms all their biases, fears and latent rage. They like the authoritarian spin, the 'I can fix everything' nonsense coming out of Trump and his enablers. They also like that Trump has no respect for anything or anyone.

    There are Republicans who have had enough, who recognized the Trumpster BS for what was and continues to be. They will vote with Dems because the only way this ends is for the GOP to lose everywhere. A number of Republican writers, lawyers, intellectuals, pundits have said exactly this: that no one should vote Republican, not even for the position of dogcatcher.

    It's the only way the Republican leadership and resistent, heel-digging GOP electorate will wake from the stupor; they get locked out of all levels of power and influence.

    Then we can have a conversation.
    sharedvalues (3,957 posts)

    18. I don't know. As Milgram showed, humans are susceptible to influence

    I blame the GOP for building a systematic propaganda machine to influence ignorant people through fear and division.

    Some trump voters are truly beyond redemption. But most are just deeply propagandized.

    This comment alone shows why this discussion is important to have.
    sharedvalues (3,957 posts)

    44. Tell everyone to turn off Fox

    Action you can take:
    - Anytime you see Fox on, tell the owner it’s bad for America and ask them to turn it off.
    - Tell all your friends and family that Limbaugh and Fox are lying to them, acting as an arm of billionaires who need votes for their pro-wealthy policies.
    - write to your local paper about Fox and Limbaugh. Say that Sinclair is getting all the attention now, but Fox is owned by a GOP billionaire, and was built by a Nixon operative, with the intent of pushing GOP policies.


    I’m doing all of those things. Can you do them with me?
    Well then, I think I'm going to tell everyone I see watching CNN or on the DU website to 'turn it off, it's propaganda'.

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    46. Ordinarily I would urge treating them as one would usually treat someone with a severe mental

    impairment. However, they've done great harm to our country and they must not be allowed to forget that.

    Forgive? Perhaps, but only if they are genuinely contrite and admit that their decision to vote for this disgrace of a human being was motivated primarily by their own hate, fear and bigotry. It needs to be made clear to them that they need to come to terms with the poison inside of them if they are ever to be forgiven on any level. Then, and only then, should one even consider forgiving them.

    Forget? Never! They should never be allowed to forget the real damage their abject stupidity has done to this nation, and we better not forget that either. Unless they intend to actually use their pea brains at the polls, they need to step aside and let the adults in the room do the thinking and make all the tough decisions for society. The nation simply can't afford their stupidity any longer.
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    What a horseshit load of projection DUmmies.
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    1. I don't give a @#$% about DU-grade Progs' opinion of me. HilLIARy made it clear and confirmed the wisdom of how I planned to vote.

    2. I hope DU-folk keep up this shtick and take it public nationally. It confirms the wisdom of Trump voters and will alienate some reluctant HilLIARy voters.
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    1. Fuck them, they aren't victims. Why does bigotry appeal to them ?
    Why does bigotry appeal to you?
    Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level then beat you with experience.
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    Dear liberals. progrressives and DUmmies: Please blame me AND give up on me. You will never turn me into a gun-grabbing socialist.
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    You need to blame yourselves for being insufferable ass holes.

    Now go sit down and STFU
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    Fact: 1/1000000th of the country's population is killed by rifles. All rifles. And this is what drives these idiots to march in the streets and demand a banning of AR's and all other semi-automatic weapons. However, over 8,000 veterans commit suicide every year and these scumbags, including the Hogg Boys, wouldn't walk across the street to piss on them if they were on fire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NJCardFan View Post
    Fact: 1/1000000th of the country's population is killed by rifles. All rifles. And this is what drives these idiots to march in the streets and demand a banning of AR's and all other semi-automatic weapons. However, over 8,000 veterans commit suicide every year and these scumbags, including the Hogg Boys, wouldn't walk across the street to piss on them if they were on fire.
    It's just like an airliner crash that kills 100+ people at one time. It is sensational and tragic and gets people afraid to board an airplane for a period of time following an accident, but mile for mile air travel is safer than traveling by roadway.

    The same is true when some nutbag kills innocent children at a school. It is very tragic and makes big headlines, but when you put it in context with overall deaths of school deaths, it is a very small percentage.
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    For the record, the only way these leftist parasites will change my mind, is with a bullet.
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