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    Americans get an upside-down version of why we intervene in other countries. This American general was close enough to what was happening to be able to see through the lies we were being told.

    http://www.fas.org/man/smedley.htm
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    I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912 (where have I heard that name before?). I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested.
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    Here are some more articles and videos that go into more detail. I've lived abroad for 19 years and in most places outside of the US political discussions are based on this kind of info. I've lived in Mexico City and Madrid and in those two places there's nothing more amusing than a group of Americans discussing politics.

    This one was written by a politically-informed Christian.
    http://www.antipasministries.com/html/file0000133.htm

    http://www.thismodernworld.org/arc/1...-Guatemala.gif
    http://www.geocities.com/~virtualtruth/guatemal.htm
    http://www.globalpolicy.org/empire/h...0413angola.htm
    http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/42a/127.html
    http://www.namebase.org/scott.html

    http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/WTI062405V.shtml
    http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle4377.htm
    http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/CIAtimeline.html
    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Bl...Hope_page.html
    http://michaelparenti.org/Imperialism101.html
    http://www.chomsky.info/articles/19860409.htm
    http://www.chss.montclair.edu/englis...skyin1282.html
    http://www.michaelparenti.org/yugoslavia.html
    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Ze...Boomerang.html
    http://mtwsfh.blogspot.com/
    http://www.lobster-magazine.co.uk/articles/l30iran.htm
    http://www.scuttlebuttsmallchow.com/racket.html
    http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle13622.htm

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...292490&pl=true
    http://video.google.es/videoplay?doc...31388742388243
    http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle11635.htm
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...56703536657423
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...25979024486145
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...27358238697503
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...58676035&q=oil
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...45499556832271
    http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle8171.htm
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAqG5...elated&search=
    http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle14295.htm
    http://www.jonhs.net/911/911_american_empire.htm
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...articleId=4245
    http://www.ichblog.eu/index.php?opti...ectlink&id=375
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnYZV...elated&search=
    http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle17988.htm
    http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle13768.htm
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7Tn_oqOdQ4
    http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=Wi5h3vZl6uo
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...40865741878159

    For more, enter the words "Death squads", or "Torture" in this search engine.

    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/htdig/search.html
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    Dude, you're posting this in the wrong forum. I'm sure the mods here would appreciate it if you posted this "information" in the Stupid Liberal Tricks forum initially as that's where all of your conspiridiocy theory bullshit is going to end up anyway.
    Solve a man's problem with violence and help him for a day. Teach a man how to solve his problems with violence, help him for a lifetime - Belkar Bitterleaf
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    Dude, you're posting this in the wrong forum. I'm sure the mods here would appreciate it if you posted this "information" in the Stupid Liberal Tricks forum initially as that's where all of your conspiridiocy theory bullshit is going to end up anyway.
    What you're supposed to do in a debate is explain why you think the info is wrong.

    Here's some stuff you should read about the mainstream American press.

    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Me...dia_watch.html
    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Pr...anda_page.html
    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Me...a_Control.html

    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Ru...rbergClub.html

    You've been basing your opinions on misinformation all of your life. I know it's hard to admit you've been misled.
    http://www.learningandteaching.info/...dissonance.htm

    Don't feel bad. I fell for it too. I believed the official version of everything until I moved to California in the seventies. I started hanging out at universities and talking to foreign students. They all set me straight.

    An American who believes the official version of everything and has never been in a situation in which he or she is able to learn the truth isn't dumb; the press does a good job of distorting reality. Just read the truth and verify it by talking to some foreigners and change your opinions. You're not dumb because you've never been in a situation in which you had access to objective information.
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    Using hardcore socialists & Anti-Americans to prove how evil the US is is rather pathetic. then to further embarrass yourself you site sources such as truthout.com which is anything but truth.
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    The 21st century. The age of Smart phones and Stupid people.

    It is said that branches draw their life from the vine. Each is separate yet all are one as they share one life giving stem . The Bible tells us we are called to a similar union in life, our lives with the life of God. We are incorporated into him; made sharers in his life. Apart from this union we can do nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmored View Post
    What you're supposed to do in a debate is explain why you think the info is wrong.
    Not when you assault everyone with 1,001 links in one post. I don't have the time to waste to address all that crap. And crap it is, quite evidently.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmored View Post
    You've been basing your opinions on misinformation all of your life. I know it's hard to admit you've been misled.
    It's not hard at all for me to admit I'm wrong, but the obvious victim of misinformation is you. Have a little honest look at what you believe and you'll find that YOU'VE been suckered BIG TIME!
    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmored View Post
    Don't feel bad. I fell for it too.
    Correction: you're STILL falling for it. You might want to check your backside for a "kick me" sign.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmored View Post
    I believed the official version of everything until I moved to California in the seventies. I started hanging out at universities and talking to foreign students. They all set me straight.
    Newsflash: the best place to go for misinformation is a California university. Dood, you're not helping your case with these revelations.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmored View Post
    An American who believes the official version of everything and has never been in a situation in which he or she is able to learn the truth isn't dumb; the press does a good job of distorting reality.
    Here's where we can agree. Now, can we agree that the media just suckered the nation into voting for the most underqualified poseur in history? Did you ever see such a distortion of reality with the Palin attacks and the Obama worship? But oh...you still voted for Obama, didn't you?
    SUCKER!
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    Just read the truth and verify it by talking to some foreigners and change your opinions.
    You wouldn't know truth if it bit you in the...well, ANYWHERE! What would foreigners have to contribute to the mix? Fidel endorsed Obama. Hamas endorsed Obama. Thousands of foreigners told us to vote for Obama. It seems like we would have done much better if we didn't listen to these foreigners. They obviously don't have OUR best interests at heart!
    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmored View Post
    You're not dumb because you've never been in a situation in which you had access to objective information.
    You're dumb because you've got access to all sorts of information, yet you apparently cling to the idiocy spouted by numbskulls like Noam Chomsky. Sorry, you've totally blown your street cred here.

    But...welcome to CU! At least you're free to express your opinions here, unlike most EVERY liberal site around. Tell me...who's afraid of the truth?? Certainly not us conservatives!
    Nothing says "idiot inside" better than an Obama/Biden bumper sticker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zathras View Post
    Dude, you're posting this in the wrong forum. I'm sure the mods here would appreciate it if you posted this "information" in the Stupid Liberal Tricks forum initially as that's where all of your conspiridiocy theory bullshit is going to end up anyway.
    Exactly, and off it goes to Stupid Liberal Tricks.

    In fact, any threads that use "Truthout" & "Noam Chomsky" as supporting links will be bound to end up in that forum.

    Welcome to CU, Spaniard, errr...Cosmored.
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    Using hardcore socialists & Americans to prove how evil the US is is rather pathetic.
    You're being a little vague here. Do you think the US government is evil, or not? Do you think those articles I posted say reflects reality?

    then to further embarrass yourself you site sources such as truthout.com which is anything but truth.
    I just checked the link I posted. I hadn't looked at it for more than a year. The article is off-line now.

    I haven't read much else from truthout.com. I just found that article that talked about the history of the US and Iraq and it was consistent with what I hear from people who have travelled to that area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmored View Post
    You're being a little vague here. Do you think the US government is evil, or not? Do you think those articles I posted say reflects reality?
    It's about to get REAL evil. Coming to a theatre near you January 20th. For a sneak preview, just read about that other Chicago darling, Blogojevich.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmored View Post
    I just checked the link I posted. I hadn't looked at it for more than a year. The article is off-line now.
    Doesn't matter. The information on all of your links was probably already stale the day it was first posted.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmored View Post
    I haven't read much else from truthout.com. I just found that article that talked about the history of the US and Iraq and it was consistent with what I hear from people who have travelled to that area.
    Don't believe everything you read (or hear), especially if it comes from California university students.
    Nothing says "idiot inside" better than an Obama/Biden bumper sticker.
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    Hi Cosmored.

    I'm a foreigner.

    You're a looney.

    Thatisall.
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    Let me guess, Cosmored is a Liberal Atheist who happens to support Obama?
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