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  1. #1 American and British Reporters Reach Douma, Syria: Discover There Was NO Chemical Wea 
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    Forget what the Syrian government or the Ruskies say.

    The first Western journalist has interviewed doctors at the hospital in Douma, Syria which supposedly treated chemical weapons victims and is announcing what really happened.

    In the following 1-minute clip, award-winning journalist Robert Fisk – writer for Britain’s Independent for almost 30 years – explains that the video of victims struggling to breathe are real, but that they have nothing to do with a chemical weapons attack.

    Here’s a transcript:

    I’ve just been in the town of Douma. I found the clinic where the film of the children frothing at the mouth and having water thrown at them was made.

    And I spoke to the hospital doctor, who actually spoke very good English. And he told me that the video is real. But they’re not suffering from gas poisoning.

    They’re suffering from hypoxia (i.e. insufficient of oxygen) because of the amount of dust in the tunnels in which they live. All through the year people in the Douma area have been living beneath their own homes, in tunnels and basements.

    And that night there was a shelling by the Syrian army and the Russian air force. And it produced a huge amount of dust and debris in the streets. And many people found it difficult to breathe.

    And when they reached the clinic according to the doctor, someone shouted “gas” … and they panicked.

    Background here and here.

    Update: Fisk filed the following report with the Independent today:


    This is the story of a town called Douma, a ravaged, stinking place of smashed apartment blocks — and of an underground clinic whose images of suffering allowed three of the Western world’s most powerful nations to bomb Syria last week. There’s even a friendly doctor in a green coat who, when I track him down in the very same clinic, cheerfully tells me that the ‘gas’ videotape which horrified the world – despite all the doubters – is perfectly genuine.

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    The same 58-year old senior Syrian doctor then adds something profoundly uncomfortable: the patients, he says, were overcome not by gas but by oxygen starvation in the rubbish-filled tunnels and basements in which they lived, on a night of wind and heavy shelling that stirred up a dust storm.

    As Dr Assim Rahaibani announces this extraordinary conclusion, it is worth observing that he is by his own admission not an eye witness himself and, as he speaks good English, he refers twice to the jihadi gunmen of Jaish el-Islam [the Army of Islam] in Douma as “terrorists” – the regime’s word for their enemies, and a term used by many people across Syria.

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    This is not the only story in Douma. There are the many people I talked amid the ruins of the town who said they had “never believed in” gas stories – which were usually put about, they claimed, by the armed Islamist groups. These particular jihadis survived under a blizzard of shellfire by living in other’s people’s homes and in vast, wide tunnels with underground roads carved through the living rock by prisoners with pick-axes on three levels beneath the town.

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    I walked across this town quite freely yesterday without soldier, policeman or minder to haunt my footsteps, just two Syrian friends, a camera and a notebook.

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    It was a short walk to Dr Rahaibani. From the door of his subterranean clinic – “Point 200,” it is called, in the weird geology of this partly-underground city – is a corridor leading downhill where he showed me his lowly hospital and the few beds where a small girl was crying as nurses treated a cut above her eye.

    “I was with my family in the basement of my home three hundred metres from here on the night but all the doctors know what happened. There was a lot of shelling [by government forces] and aircraft were always over Douma at night — but on this night, there was wind and huge dust clouds began to come into the basements and cellars where people lived. People began to arrive here suffering from hypoxia, oxygen loss. Then someone at the door, a ‘White Helmet’, shouted ‘Gas!”, and a panic began. People started throwing water over each other. Yes, the video was filmed here, it is genuine, but what you see are people suffering from hypoxia – not gas poisoning.”
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    That story isn't credible.

    The UN-inspectors are prevented from entering by 'unknowns' due to 'small arms fire' by other 'unknowns'.

    https://www.rt.com/news/424518-opcw-...elay-security/

    So how does a non-Reuters reporter, who coincidentally knows all about hypoxia, and two Syrian friends get in with no reports of gunfire?
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    He could be right, but I wouldn't take Fisk's word on the wetness of water.

    At the same time, we don't have any objective evidence it really was poison gas (As opposed to other possibilities ranging from staged to toxic combustion gases from conventional ordnance) but launched all those missiles anyway. For various different reasons, it's convenient for a lot of Western political figures take it on faith that it was poison gas without actual proof.

    Maybe legit, maybe not. I'll be a lot more comfortable treating it as a fact when they find some actual testable agent residue.
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    The story is sourced from RT.com (Russian Times). Think the source is a bit suspect?
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    Here's a link from 3-minutes ago:

    http://hbucollegian.com/2018/04/un-s...n-douma-syria/

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    Ken Ward, the US ambassador to the OPCW, claimed Monday the Russians had already visited the site and "may have tampered with it", a charge Moscow rejected.
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