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  1. #1 Are We Headed for a Civil War? 
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    Almost immediately after the 2000 elections, the hard core liberal left mantra was President Bush was “Not my President”. He was illegitimate because of the Florida “hanging chad” counting debacle. After the 2008 election, most conservatives are hoping President "Not In My Pay Grade” does a good job. An interesting dichotomy to say the least.

    Liberals went on the radicalistic Alinsky attacks to marginalize President Bush. 9-11 temporarily put it on hold, but once the shock passed, they resumed their attacks with even greater fervor. The Iraq War and Global Warming were their attack du jour mechanism.

    Is President “don’t have a copy of my birth certificate” our legitimate president? I have no idea. However, I have to wonder given the tactics and strategies of the left if we should use a similar approach until he produces verifiable proof of his citizenship. Do we stoop to their level? Do we employ the same slash and burn policies to slowly change public sentiment of our President Elect? Damn the torpedoes; full speed ahead?

    We are already an extremely divided country. Given the proclivities of this liberal president, he may take us into a civil war if he is not careful. Liberals have been ratcheting-up their attacks with their emboldened sense of entitlement to force their ideology on us all. Americans are arming themselves at a record rate, and the proverbial straw that breaks the camel’s back is somewhere out there for conservatives.

    God help us if we do!
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    Meh, I'm not afraid of a civil war. I mean, just look at it this way. Who do you think would win: Gun-loving Republicans, or tree-hugging pinko Commie Liberals?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Casey View Post
    Meh, I'm not afraid of a civil war. I mean, just look at it this way. Who do you think would win: Gun-loving Republicans, or tree-hugging pinko Commie Liberals?
    I don't think there will be 'another' Civil War (there really was never a first), but if we do, I don't think it will be Liberals vs. Conservatives. I think it would be more like Conservatives vs. Government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Troll View Post
    I don't think there will be 'another' Civil War (there really was never a first), but if we do, I don't think it will be Liberals vs. Conservatives. I think it would be more like Conservatives vs. Government.
    Which is really Conservatives vs Liberals cause there sure aren't any Conservatives in the Government now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Casey View Post
    Meh, I'm not afraid of a civil war. I mean, just look at it this way. Who do you think would win: Gun-loving Republicans, or tree-hugging pinko Commie Liberals?

    The commie liberals. They have all the states with industry.

    Having all the God-fearin', gun-totin', "natural born fighters", and the career military on their side didn't help the South all that much in the Civil War, so what makes you think it would help this time?;)
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    Civil War? Was the Revolution ever finished?

    It would be a terrible thing, a Civil War. The nation is already weak in the world with the wolves at the door and the vultures circling over head waiting for the last breathe or sooner of this nation on the world power stage.

    We are in bad shape as the Socialist-communist will grow in our government out of the economic downturn for that is the only reason the masses fall for its deception. It is in the times of dispair. On the other hand it will strengthen further that philosophy and that also of the Muslim religion countries in the world over us, a double edged sword.

    Freedom and Liberty will take a hit since its peak here and in the world sometime back. Freedom will be replaced by Democracy slavery as is happening In South America and Europe.

    If Conservatives could replace Republicans and hope for continued depression through the next two election cycles that would be the war that needs waging. A fragmented United States in these times by Civil War would be disasterous. Conservatives need to get their house in order for the liberals do not have a better mousetrap.

    They are feeding off the mistakes of the pretend conservatives in the Republican Party, most of its leadership.

    Defeat was snatched from the jaws of victory after the early Ninetys as the Republican party stopped to plunder the stores of the retreating Democratic party without pressing the attack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xavierob82 View Post
    The commie liberals. They have all the states with industry.

    Having all the God-fearin', gun-totin', "natural born fighters", and the career military on their side didn't help the South all that much in the Civil War, so what makes you think it would help this time?;)
    They won't have them for long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xavierob82 View Post
    The commie liberals. They have all the states with industry.

    Having all the God-fearin', gun-totin', "natural born fighters", and the career military on their side didn't help the South all that much in the Civil War, so what makes you think it would help this time?;)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steveh View Post
    Almost immediately after the 2000 elections, the hard core liberal left mantra was President Bush was “Not my President”. He was illegitimate because of the Florida “hanging chad” counting debacle. After the 2008 election, most conservatives are hoping President "Not In My Pay Grade” does a good job. An interesting dichotomy to say the least.

    Liberals went on the radicalistic Alinsky attacks to marginalize President Bush. 9-11 temporarily put it on hold, but once the shock passed, they resumed their attacks with even greater fervor. The Iraq War and Global Warming were their attack du jour mechanism...

    God help us if we do!
    It would be ugly, which is one of the reasons that I'm hoping that this birth certificate thing turns out to be nothing. A real constitutional crisis that permanently alienates a major chunk of the country, creates a myth of Obama as an agent of real change that was waylaid by a technicality by the powers that be and four years of president Biden would be incredibly destructive.
    Two pretty good books on civil wars in the context of the current political split are A State of Disobedience by Tom Kratman and Empire by Orson Scott Card. Neither book is especially comforting.
    Quote Originally Posted by xavierob82 View Post
    The commie liberals. They have all the states with industry.

    Having all the God-fearin', gun-totin', "natural born fighters", and the career military on their side didn't help the South all that much in the Civil War, so what makes you think it would help this time?;)
    Actually, they have the states with the service economy. True, California can probably make some really scathing documentaries, and New York might try to create a banking crisis to tighten up credit (oh, wait, too late), but the red states are actually much more heavily industrialized now than they were back in the day, and the military is drawn much more heavily from the red states than the blue (and those who do come from blue states, such as myself, identify more with the red state ethos).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Casey View Post
    Meh, I'm not afraid of a civil war. I mean, just look at it this way. Who do you think would win: Gun-loving Republicans, or tree-hugging pinko Commie Liberals?
    What makes you so sure that another civil war will pit only those two groups against one another?

    There are some great arguments for multiple regional conflicts over political partisanship.
    I don't believe in another civil war...but conflict is more likely among regional cultural lines IMO.

    What troll said about government is another good take. That's essentially what the Civil war was fought against anyway. The power of the Fed to control the states right's.
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