Are We Headed for a Civil War?

[Rebel Yell]

What troll said about government is another good take. That's essentially what the Civil war was fought against anyway. The power of the Fed to control the states right's.

Hence, the shit we're in now.:mad:

[Speedy]

Two pretty good books on civil wars in the context of the current political split are A State of Disobedience by Tom Kratman and Empire by Orson Scott Card. Neither book is especially comforting.

My M4, my Mini-14, My Dragunov Sniper Rifle and the M1911 that has been in my family since 1922 provide me all of the comfort that I need. Yeah, it can get bad. Yeah, it can get really bad. But in the end, when it comes to who will have the wherewithall, fortitude and willingness to win I will be among those that do.

It comes to down to this, I am not willing to live under tyranny. I would rather die than to live under it. But how willing die are those that would impose it on me?

If Freepers faced DUmmies with freedom and liberty on the line against a government nanny state, who would be more willing to die for their cause? As bad a the DUmmies want gay marriage and free healthcare, I doubt that they would go to war for it. I would go to war to avoid it.

[Steveh]

This blog is considerably different than the others I have been a member of. You are considerably more interactive with one another. I like that. Everyone scrutinizes everyone else -- in a respectful way.

Speedy, you are dead on. Libs hide behind a veil of secrecy. They like anonymity. They bomb churches and car dealerships. Deep down most of them know their morally relativistic ideals are "immoral"; they like that curtain to hide behind.

In the end, would they fight for their ideals? A small percentage perhaps. But the vast majority are so weak willed (i.e. they want government to run everything in their lives) that they would never stand up for what they believe in. The war on terror is the perfect example. Euro-socialism is another.

[BadCat]

This blog is considerably different than the others I have been a member of. You are considerably more interactive with one another. I like that. Everyone scrutinizes everyone else -- in a respectful way.

Speedy, you are dead on. Libs hide behind a veil of secrecy. They like anonymity. They bomb churches and car dealerships. Deep down most of them know their morally relativistic ideals are "immoral"; they like that curtain to hide behind.

In the end, would they fight for their ideals? A small percentage perhaps. But the vast majority are so weak willed (i.e. they want government to run everything in their lives) that they would never stand up for what they believe in. The war on terror is the perfect example. Euro-socialism is another.

The question is, will they die for it?
The answer is...nope.

[Odysseus]

My M4, my Mini-14, My Dragunov Sniper Rifle and the M1911 that has been in my family since 1922 provide me all of the comfort that I need. Yeah, it can get bad. Yeah, it can get really bad. But in the end, when it comes to who will have the wherewithall, fortitude and willingness to win I will be among those that do.

It comes to down to this, I am not willing to live under tyranny. I would rather die than to live under it. But how willing die are those that would impose it on me?

If Freepers faced DUmmies with freedom and liberty on the line against a government nanny state, who would be more willing to die for their cause? As bad a the DUmmies want gay marriage and free healthcare, I doubt that they would go to war for it. I would go to war to avoid it.

Don't underestimate the DUmmies. Leftists are always willing to resort to violence, and have fewer moral scruples than we do about it. Ask yourself some time about how the White Russian forces lost to the Reds, when they had the entire Czarist officer corps and a major chunk of the army (and almost the entire navy), plus all of the weapons, on their side. The intellectuals delegate the violence to the thugs, who never have a problem throwing bombs. History is full of revolutions that were won by those who initially lacked equipment and training, but made up for it with revolutionary zeal. It's also full of failed insurgencies and revolutions that lacked the capacity to organize and conduct operations or win over the majority to their cause. Ultimately, it depends on whether people believe in the legitimacy of their government and are willing to defend their rights and the constitutional order. That's why this cynical "He's not my president" crap has to stop, because it corrodes our belief in America as a united nation and makes us vulnerable to the stresses that create civil wars. If Obama screws up and weakens the nation, then in four years, we'll rectify the error at the polls. If he does his job consciensciously, and despite our misgivings, succeeds, then he'll deserve a second term. But, either way, he is the president and we must give our allegiance and respect to the office.

[Speedy]

But, either way, he is the president and we must give our allegiance and respect to the office.

My alligiance is to the Constitution, his apparently is not. I'll choose to be loyal to the Constitution before I am ever loyal to a temproary holder of an office.

[Troll]

It comes to down to this, I am not willing to live under tyranny. I would rather die than to live under it. But how willing die are those that would impose it on me?

The problem is that the people that would impose tyranny on [us] aren't the ones that will be knocking on [our] doors. All the right person has to do is say the word 'terrorist', and it's a toss-up between the ATF, SWAT, FBI, or some foreigners they allowed into the military who they're going to send after you.

(http://www.boston.com/news/nation/ar...ng_foreigners/)

Try not paying your taxes for a couple of years. It won't be your Congressman that comes demanding payment.

I'm not convinced that most conservatives/Republicans wouldn't get in line to give away their guns and emergency provisions if someone told them it was their patriotic duty.

[Molon Labe]

My alligiance is to the Constitution, his apparently is not. I'll choose to be loyal to the Constitution before I am ever loyal to a temproary holder of an office.

It's a bit different for those in the military like Odysseus. You may hate the man, but you have to show respect to the office and the rank. POTUS is the commander in chief.

That doesn't mean we don't hold him accountable and scrutinize his every move. ;)
I understand where you're coming from....believe me.

[Rebel Yell]

I'm not convinced that most conservatives/Republicans wouldn't get in line to give away their guns and emergency provisions if someone told them it was their patriotic duty.

I don't know about everywhere else, but down here, you can be convinced. There's already ALOT of talk about which end of the gun they'll get if they come knocking down here.

[Speedy]

I'm not convinced that most conservatives/Republicans wouldn't get in line to give away their guns and emergency provisions if someone told them it was their patriotic duty.

There is nothing Patriotic about disarming oneself and no one, not even the half-breed pillar of "Hope and Change" will convince me to do it.