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    Al CIA-da has never been a grass roots Islamic group. Al Qaeda means "the base" or the "database" of the mujahideen originally brought from Saudi Arabia to Afghanistan in the late 70s and early 80s (Carter administration) to pull the Soviets into Afghanistan (according to Mika's dad, Zbigniew Brzezinski in Le Figaro). Al Qaeda has always been a CIA operation and continues to be. So it is no surprise that American-made missiles should be in their possession.


    Robert Fisk: "I Traced Al-Qaeda Missile Casings In Syria Back To Their Original Sellers"
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...iginal-sellers

    Finally, a journalist for a mainstream UK media outlet is methodically tracking weapons shipment serial numbers and English-language paperwork recovered from al-Qaeda groups in Syria, and he's literally showing up at arms factories and questioning arms dealers, including officials at the Saudi Embassy in London, asking: why are your weapons in the hands of terrorists?

    Veteran Middle East war correspondent Robert Fisk recently published a bombshell report entitled, I traced missile casings in Syria back to their original sellers, so itís time for the west to reveal who they sell arms to. In it Fisk recalls a bit of detective sleuthing he's lately been engaged in after stumbling upon a batch of missile casings and shipment paperwork last year hidden in what he describes as "the basement of a bombed-out Islamist base in eastern Aleppo" with the words "Hughes Aircraft Co/Guided Missile Surface Attack" emblazoned on the side of the spent tubes.

    Of course, the Syrian government recaptured the area from Islamist insurgents including al-Nusra terrorists and their allies in December 2016, and has made rapid gains throughout the country's east and south since; and Fisk has been trekking around the country to see what he can find....
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    I'm surprised he's still alive to trek around those areas. Amazing if it's true that the CIA is that involved, but nothing is surprising anymore. No wonder Trump was warned to not mess around with the intelligence community.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaintLouieWoman View Post
    I'm surprised he's still alive to trek around those areas. Amazing if it's true that the CIA is that involved, but nothing is surprising anymore. No wonder Trump was warned to not mess around with the intelligence community.
    The CIA has been a bunch of bad actors for a long time. If Trump can squash or redirect the agency, he will do what JFK only spoke of doing before his untimely assassination.
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    Fisk is pretty much your typical English Leftie America-hating journalist, who justly became a verb for line-by-line refutations of crackpot stories during Gulf II, from the way his skewed screeds were so amusingly destroyed.

    As far as this particular story goes, the mostly-accurate elements were (1) that US-made missiles were fired by AQ, or AQ claimed credit for some aligned group firing them, and (2) that the CIA had a big hand in starting AQ back in the 80s to counter the Soviets in Afghanistan. Everything beyond that is pretty much crap.

    In the aftermath of the Soviet-Afghan war, AQ went completely off on its own and the CIA went its way, with the CIA pretty much ignoring AQ until OBL forced them to notice them again. To imply that the CIA was directly aiding them or controlling them is laughable. The missiles could have come into their hands by any number of means, ranging from the deranged H. Clinton/MCain plan to depose Assad by covertly supplying arms to Al Nusra and similar groups (Who mostly flipped to ISIS rather than get beheaded the first time they got beat, taking all their equipment with them) or ordnance stolen or sold to them by our gallant if profiteering-minded Iraqi and Afghan allies, or stolen wholesale by Pakistanis on its way through the mountains (There is an immense pilferage and outright theft of cargo containers there, but since Pakistan is not a belligerent the security of cargo there depends entirely on their corrupt and conflicted law enforcement operation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DumbAss Tanker View Post
    As far as this particular story goes, the mostly-accurate elements were (1) that US-made missiles were fired by AQ, or AQ claimed credit for some aligned group firing them, and (2) that the CIA had a big hand in starting AQ back in the 80s to counter the Soviets in Afghanistan. Everything beyond that is pretty much crap.
    Thank you for beating me to this.

    Apparently Mr Fisk is unaware of the fact that after the Soviets decided to abandon Afghanistan, Charlie Wilson's pleas for follow up money and action from the US government went ignored and his warnings about what could happen went unheeded until two embassies were blasted off their foundations in 1998.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DumbAss Tanker View Post
    In the aftermath of the Soviet-Afghan war, AQ went completely off on its own and the CIA went its way, with the CIA pretty much ignoring AQ until OBL forced them to notice them again. To imply that the CIA was directly aiding them or controlling them is laughable.
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    Fisk includes some irrelevant info designed to be trigger bogeyman fears - founded by "the infamous Howard Hughes", several major investors. It's fluffy padding that invoke bogeymen, but irrelevant to how the missiles came into A-Q hands. However he did give the model of missile, both in the military number - BGM-71E - and nickname, TOW. The TOW missile has been in use since the Vietnam War, with quite a few upgrades through the decades. The particular variant he cited, the "E" was introduced in 1987. The TOW missile is used by numerous countries, and was probably provided to the Mujahedeen in Afghanistan. So the missiles he sort of traced could have been sent to any number of countries. Given that ISIS conquered much of Iraq for a while and captured a LOT of equipment, my guess is that these TOW missiles were captured from the Iraqi military.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SVPete View Post
    Fisk includes some irrelevant info designed to be trigger bogeyman fears - founded by "the infamous Howard Hughes", several major investors. It's fluffy padding that invoke bogeymen, but irrelevant to how the missiles came into A-Q hands. However he did give the model of missile, both in the military number - BGM-71E - and nickname, TOW. The TOW missile has been in use since the Vietnam War, with quite a few upgrades through the decades. The particular variant he cited, the "E" was introduced in 1987. The TOW missile is used by numerous countries, and was probably provided to the Mujahedeen in Afghanistan. So the missiles he sort of traced could have been sent to any number of countries. Given that ISIS conquered much of Iraq for a while and captured a LOT of equipment, my guess is that these TOW missiles were captured from the Iraqi military.
    When you remember that the Mujahideen were the farm team for Al Qaeda, that makes sense. Fisk may be trying his best scare tactics, but this was not news to me, nor was it in any way surprising. It's just confirmation.
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