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  1. #1 Were We Told the Truth about Jonestown? 
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    Here's something else for us to wonder about.

    http://www.crimelibrary.com/notoriou..._5.html?sect=8
    http://jonestown.sdsu.edu/AboutJones...an-lobster.htm

    Look at the 16th paragraph of the partial article below. It says that a doctor confirmed that most of the dead had been murdered. Of course, I'm not in a position to verify any of this but I certainly wouldn't rule it out.

    http://www.subversiveelement.com/Firefromsky20.html
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    The officer in charge of all U.S. Army Special Forces for Latin America at
    the time of the Jonestown holocaust was Lt. Col. James "Bo" Gritz. Gritz
    was the original soldier after which the movie character "Rambo" was
    patterned. Gritz was the most decorated soldier to come out of the Vietnam
    war.

    The Guyana massacre was carried out by Bo Gritz' men (along with British
    SAS troops). *Flatland* (#10) magazine, in an interview with Gritz, asked
    him:

    Question: You trained Special Forces that went into Jonestown? What was the
    precise nature of the operation?

    "I don't know precisely because it was a compartmentalized operation. The
    only thing that I do know for certain is what the Sergeant I quote coming
    out of Jonestown, he was insistent because he was disgusted, on writing
    this book. He was, without compromise, going to call it *All the ******s
    Are Dead.* I asked him, 'Why would you want to entitle anything such an
    offensive way?' 'It doesn't make a difference what your color, your creed,
    your sex,' he said, 'when you are treated the way they were, that's what
    you are; you're a ******, you're nothing else.' I think that those soldiers
    saw things that affected them and made them very angry. I've seen other
    things like that in combat where there have been abuses. I wrote about one
    of them in my book where the Captain tortured the young severely and the
    young Sergeant put on a swastika and said, "If I'm going to act like a Nazi
    I'm going to look like one.' I think that the same kind of negative impact
    occurred in Jonestown."

    Gritz has more about Jonestown in his autobiography, *Called to Serve.*
    Perhaps you simply cannot believe what I am telling you. Will you believe
    it if told to you by the Green Beret officer in charge of the men who did
    the killing? He admits that the information was "compartmentalized" and it
    was not until later that he learned what his men were actually doing. The
    following information is from pages 584-587 of his book:

    "The true story of the Jonestown camp in Guyana has been brought to light
    through an extensive investigation conducted by John Judge, from
    Philadelphia and Washington, D.C., and other dedicated researchers and
    investigators. The truth, which was thoroughly suppressed by the American
    media, is that it was actually a slave-labor camp run by Jones with the
    assistance of the CIA. Most of the information which follows is from John
    Judge's summary of the investigation, supplemented with information
    provided by Special Forces teams I had earlier trained and commanded, who
    were sent in to 'clean up the remains of Jonestown.'

    "Most of the black and Hispanic poor people and social activists who became
    the inmates of the camp were brought there either by force or coercion, or
    lured under false pretenses, where extensive experiments of drug-induced
    mind control were performed on them. Even before they were moved to Guyana,
    reports of beatings, kidnappings, sexual abuse and mysterious deaths had
    leaked out to the press about the earlier Peoples' Temple in Ukiah,
    California.

    "Jim Jones had a very interesting past which was overlooked by the media:
    During the time his friend Dan Mitrione was teaching torture techniques to
    the Brazilian and Argentineans, Jones was also sent to Brazil where his
    house, transportation and groceries were provided to him by the U.S.
    Embassy, and he frequently traveled to Belo Horizonte, the CIA headquarters
    in Brazil.

    "Jones had been contacted in Ukiah by 'Christian missionaries' from World
    Vision (World Vision is a CIA controlled front operation), an evangelical
    order which had performed espionage work for the CIA in Southeast Asia.
    Most of Jones' top lieutenants were from wealthy, educated backgrounds,
    many with connections to the military or intelligence agencies. These were
    the people who were involved in setting up the bank accounts, complex legal
    transactions and financial agreements which put people under the control of
    the Peoples' Temple.

    "Some of Jones' Lieutenants were: Dr. Lawrence Layton was chief of Chemical
    and Biological Warfare Research at Dugway Proving Grounds in Utah for many
    years and later worked as Director of Missile and Satellite Development at
    the Navy Propellant Division at Indian Head, Maryland. His wife, Lisa, was
    the daughter of Hugo Phillips, who had represented the huge Nazi
    manufacturing cartel, I.G. Farben, as a stockbroker. Their daughter,
    Debbie, met and married George Philip Blakey, whose parents had extensive
    stock holdings in Solve Drugs, a division of I.G. Farben.

    "Blakey was reputed to be training mercenaries in Jonestown who were sent
    to work with CIA-backed UNITA forces in Angola. Terri Buford's father,
    Admiral Charles T. Buford, worked with Naval Intelligence. Marie Katsaris'
    father was minister with the Greek Orthodox Church, thought to be a conduit
    of CIA funding, and she claimed she had proof he was a CIA agent. The
    'official survivors' were represented upon their return to the U.S. by
    Joseph Blatchford, an attorney who had been named in a prior scandal
    involving CIA infiltration of the Peace Corps.

    "The people who were taken from San Francisco to begin their 'new life' in
    Guyana were bussed to Florida and arrived in Guyana bound and gagged, where
    they were forced to work 16 hours or more daily, and were fed on minimum
    rations. As more and more rumors began to filter back to the United States
    of druggings, beatings, torture, sexual humiliations and coercion at the
    Guyana site, Congressman Leo Ryan decided to go to Guyana and verify the
    situation for himself.

    "Ryan had challenged the CIA's overseas operations before, as a member of
    the House Committee responsible for oversight on intelligence. He was
    co-author of the controversial Hughes-Ryan Amendment, which would have
    required advance CIA disclosure to the congressional committees of all
    planned covert operations. The amendment would be defeated shortly after
    his death in Jonestown.

    "With Ryan on the way to Jonestown, the secrecy surrounding the camp would
    be broken and desperate measures would need to be taken to keep the truth
    from escaping, much less the inmates. In a futile attempt to test their
    conditioning methods, the leaders at Jonestown apparently tried to
    implement an actual suicide drill, but it was obviously ignored. Official
    stories first numbered the victims at 408, but later revised the toll
    upward to 913. It was claimed that some 505 bodies had been covered by
    those of the first 408 who had fallen directly on top of them, confusing
    those who had been counting from aerial photographs. - a blatant and
    ridiculous attempt at cover-up.

    "However, the first reports were true - 408 had died, and 700 fled to the
    jungle where British Black Watch troops and American Special Forces were
    conducting 'training exercises.' Of the 700, 505 who had been deliberately
    shot in the jungle were added to the count of those who had supposedly
    committed suicide by drinking cyanide-laced Kool Aid.

    "The truth is that nearly 400 inmates were forced to die by injection,
    according to the Chief Guyanese medical examiner, Dr. Mootoo, who arrived
    at Jonestown within hours of the massacre. He found needle marks on the
    left shoulder blades of 80-90% of the victims, and the others had been shot
    or strangled.

    "As Chief Medical Examiner, Mootoo's testimony to the Guyanese Grand Jury
    led to their conclusion that all but three of the people who had died at
    Jonestown were murdered by 'persons unknown.' Several pictures show the
    gunshot wounds on the bodies as well. The U.S. Army spokesman, Lt. Col.
    Schuler, told the press, 'No autopsies are needed. The cause of death is
    not an issue here,' and the forensic doctors who later performed the
    autopsies at Dover, Delaware, were never made aware of Dr. Mootoo's
    findings.

    "Guyanese troops discovered a large cache of drugs, enough to control the
    entire population of Georgetown, Guyana (pop. 200,000), for over a year.
    One footlocker contained 11,000 doses of Thorazine, a dangerous
    tranquilizer, and others such as sodium pentothal (truth serum), chloral
    hydrate (a hypnotic), demerol, Thallium (confuses thinking), haliopareael
    and Largatil (powerful tranquilizers) and many others. It was very evident
    that Jonestown was a tightly-run concentration camp, complete with medical
    and psychiatric experimentation.

    "Direct orders to cover up the cause of death came from the top levels of
    the American Government. Zbigniew Brzezinski, President Carter's national
    security advisor, authorized Robert Pastor to order Lt. Col. Gordon Sumner
    to strip the bodies of the medical bracelets they had been forced to wear
    for identification. Pastor later served as Deputy Director of the CIA.
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    Here's the part of the above article that wouldn't fit in the first post in case the article goes off line.

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    "One of the Special Forces sergeants assigned to the Jonestown massacre was
    so outraged about what he had witnessed that he had decided to describe
    the events in a book. While the Secrecy Act prevented him from detailing
    all that went on, SFC Inman carefully hid the entire story within his
    title: *All The ******s Are Dead!* When I asked that he explain the
    crudeness of so naming his report, he replied, 'Sir, that's what they were.
    Both blacks and whites were ******s; that's what any slave is; that's what
    they were. That was our final radio message when the job we were assigned
    was finished.' I could tell by his bitterness that the government had no
    fear that the book would ever be printed. He just needed someone to vent
    his anger on.

    "Guyanese Prime Minister Forbes Burnham rose to power as the result of a
    CIA-inspired coup against the recalcitrant Guyanese leader Cheddi Jagan.
    Richard Dwyer, a CIA agent working as Deputy Chief of Mission at the U.S.
    Embassy in Guyana, was shown to have been at the scene at the time of the
    massacre and at the airport strip, where he failed to order Guyanese
    troops, armed with machine guns, to defend Ryan and his staff.

    "Chief Consular Officer Richard McCoy, who was described as 'close to [Jim]
    Jones,' worked for military intelligence and was 'on loan' from the Defense
    Department at the time of the massacre. Dan Webber, who was sent to the
    Jonestown site the day after, was also named as a CIA agent.

    "U.S. Ambassador John Burke, who had served in the CIA since 1963 and had
    worked with Dwyer in Thailand, according to Philip Agee, tried to stop
    Ryan's investigation. The State Department concealed all reports of
    violations at Jonestown from Congressman Leo Ryan, while the Embassy
    regularly provided Jones with copies of all congressional inquiries under
    the Freedom of Information Act.

    "According to current reports, Jonestown has been 're-populated' with over
    1,000 Laotion Hmong people who grew opium and served under General Vang Pao
    during our 'secret war' in Laos and Cambodia. According to these reports,
    World Vision was also attempting to move the population from the island of
    Dominica to Jonestown.

    "In addition to the already mentioned torture camp, Colonia Dignidad,
    another is reported to be located at Pisgua, Chile. Inside Guyana itself is
    another 'religious community,' named Hilltown, also operated under iron
    discipline, with 8,000 blacks from Guyana and the U.S. They were allowed to
    clear the Jonestown site of shoes and weapons, both of which are in short
    supply in Guyana. It may only be a matter of time before another Jonestown
    is exposed. It is sad to know that what started out to be an information
    gathering organization has turned into an instrument of the dragon."
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    Enter CIA into this search engine to see some of the other stuff the CIA may have done.
    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/htdig/search.html

    I don't consider this theory about Jonestown to be far-fetched at all.

    Anyone who thinks the American press would never go along with this should watch this video.
    http://www.youtube.com//watch?v=bbnxsPgcsH0
    3W's (dot) youtube (dot) com//watch?v=bbnxsPgcsH0
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    Did you eat lead paint chips as a kid?
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    Ok, that's it. GO AWAY.
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    It all makes sense now.
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    Have we been told the truth about Cosmored?

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    This article is false because everyone knows that TiT was the most decorated soldier of the Vietnam war.:D
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaRepub View Post
    Ok, that's it. GO AWAY.
    YAY!!!!! Bout time O Darth Mod...then again if you look at the links he posted, they lead to message boards where he did the exact same thing that he did here and got the same results, being banned.

    Just have to keep an eye out for any sock puppets he might use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zathras View Post
    YAY!!!!! Bout time O Darth Mod...then again if you look at the links he posted, they lead to message boards where he did the exact same thing that he did here and got the same results, being banned.

    Just have to keep an eye out for any sock puppets he might use.

    Hey, I asked him for a CT on space aliens and he didn't deliver...:mad:;):D
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaRepub View Post
    Hey, I asked him for a CT on space aliens and he didn't deliver...:mad:;):D
    Heh heh, fail the Dark Mod of the Sith, pay with your life.

    Wait, wait....I just found a picture of you dealing with Cosmoron....

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