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  1. #1 Detroit Police Slammed For Handling Of Neo Nazis At Motor City Pride FestivSource: Me 
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    Awwwwww. Liberals who shout down conservative speakers in order to disrupt and shut down the speach for everyone is upset that a group DARES to interfere with THEIR event.

    As always many, though not all think that if they define a group as "hate" that it justifies shutting down their freedom of speech.

    Oh yes, and they expect the police to enforce their demands.

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    Detroit Police Slammed For Handling Of Neo Nazis At Motor City Pride FestivSource: Metro Times

    June 10, 2019, 11:22 AM. The nation looked on with disbelief and anger as social media lit up with photos and videos of armed neo-Nazis marching in downtown Detroit with what appeared to be police protection during Motor City Pride this weekend.

    About a dozen members of the National Socialist Movement (NSM) marched with swastikas and riot shields, tore up a pride flag and hurled slurs at the LGBTQ+ community who gathered at Hart Plaza. One of the neo-Nazis appeared to urinate on an Israeli flag.

    Surrounding the neo-Nazis were at least a dozen Detroit police officers, some of whom pushed festival-goers who tried to confront the neo-Nazis. In one video, a person shouts to police, "Why are you protecting them? These are literal Nazis." In another video, someone shouts, "Our police should be protecting us."

    Detroit police have not responded yet, but Sgt. Nicole Kirkwood told the Metro Times that a press conference will be held Monday to explain the officers' actions. Coverage of the police "protection" was covered by Newsweek and the U.K.-based Independent, but the neo-Nazis' menacing presence was largely ignored by the local media. -MORE & VIDEO...



    Read more: https://www.metrotimes.com/news-hits...tor-city-pride



    One officer with Detroit Police said, on condition of anonymity because he is not authorized to talk with media, that the officers did protect the public by surrounding the armed neo-Nazis. Police feared the gunmen would open fire if they felt threatened he said. Some of the police officers wore rainbow pins shaped like a heart.

    Many people who were following the event on social media were outraged over the police response. "Maybe I'm wrong, but I always thought the primary purpose of a police presence at public events like Detroit's LGBTQ Pride Festival was to keep the peace and ensure everyone's safety, rather than facilitate efforts by neo-Nazis to intimidate participants and provoke violence," tweeted Donald Koelper.


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    -SLATE, 'Armed Neo-Nazis Get a Police Escort to Disrupt Detroit Pride,' June 9, 2019.
    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...oit-pride.html

    ...The members from the National Socialist Movement, which the Southern Poverty Law Center characterizes as one of the largest neo-Nazi groups in the United States and one that specializes in provocative protests, made Nazi salutes and openly carried weapons while they were protesting. Video posted on social media shows one small group of neo-Nazis marching while someone yells "fuck you, faggots" into a bullhorn.

    While police say their goal was to keep the neo-Nazis and those attending Motor City Pride away from each other, many expressed anger that law enforcement officers were making it possible for white supremacists to disrupt Pride with hateful messages. "Where was Detroit Police when armed Nazis were marching with their NAZI FLAG shouting Homophobic slurs, anti-black racism, and white nationalism you ask? Serving and Protecting THE NAZIS," one activist wrote on Twitter. "It's 2019 and cops are escorting Nazis through a pride celebration. Disgusting," another wrote.

    Detroit wasn't the only city that saw its Pride celebrations disrupted this weekend. Seven people were sent to the hospital in D.C. after fears of an active shooter led to a stampede. People gathered around Dupont Circle started running after hearing what they thought was a gunshot. A man was taken into custody and is facing a charge of gun possession, but Mayor Muriel Bowser tweeted that police said there were "no shots fired." - More at link above.

    - JERUSALEM POST, 'Nazi Group Disrupts Detroit Pride Parade, Urinate On Israeli Flag,' June 10, 2019.
    https://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Neo-N...li-flag-591998



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    I don't agree with Neo Nazi's however they have freedom of speech just like everyone else. If Democrats had their way they would be the only ones who had freedom of speech.

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    2. No matter what the cops did, they were gonna catch a bunch of flak for it.

    I feel like they made the best play they could, given the circumstances. They kept it from turning violent, and as noted in the article, some of the officers involved made their sympathies known via those pins they wore.

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    3. They didn't make "the best play they could"

    Fuck the nazis. The best play they could would be making them stand in a free-speech zone. Don't escort them into the parade.

    There should be no quarter or accommodation for nazis. Ever.

    There are nazi sympathizers in America and some are in power or part of the police force. These people are dangerous. They need to be exposed as the right-wing terrorists they are.
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    7. Just stop carrying their water

    They stood by while the LEGAL MARCHERS were shoved aside by the Nazis, and had their property stolen and destroyed by literal NAZIS. The cops protected them, it was obvious.

    So many apologists of Fascist cops on these threads.
    Jedi Guy (904 posts)

    9. What property was stolen and destroyed? Who was shoved aside?

    There's nothing in the article about any property being stolen or destroyed. No mention of anyone being shoved aside by the Nazis, either. And that makes sense, since the cops were there to prevent contact between the Nazis and the rest of the people at the parade. Do you have anything you can cite to back up your assertions?

    Nothing indicates that the cops were in solidarity with the Nazis. Some of the cops were wearing rainbow heart-shaped pins. Do you expect me to believe that those cops are peachy with the Nazis? What evidence do you have that any of those cops are fascists?

    If the cops had stood off to the side and observed, there's a pretty solid chance that this would have been a bloodbath. They picked the least bad of a set of really shitty choices, and I'm fine with that, given the possible alternatives.

    They have the same free speech rights as anyone else. You don't have to like it, but you do have to live with it.
    Oneironaut (3,621 posts)

    19. I don't think the cops did anything wrong.

    IMO, itís not like the cops wanted to help the Nazis. They wanted to keep the two sides away from each other - especially if there might be armed Nazis who want any excuse in the world to start shooting. Itís a difficult dilemma.

    What the Nazis did also wasnít against the law. Assaulting them for their words is.
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    20. I see.

    Good people on both sides, eh?


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    21. Except that's not at all what Oneironaut said.

    The cops can either surround them to keep them from starting a violent brawl, or stand off and watch the bloodshed unfold. Me personally, I'm glad they went with the former, particularly since these clowns were armed and could have easily killed a bunch of people.

    And people in this thread are not standing up for the Nazis, we're standing up for the right to freedom of speech that all of us, the Nazis included, have. Just because you don't like them or what they have to say doesn't mean they don't have the right to say it.

    As I said to someone else upthread, you don't have to like that, but you do have to live with it.
    Except it was the GBLTxyz'ers who were trying to start a brawl.
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    Someone needs to explain to the fascists on the left that the First Amendment is not there to protect speech you agree with. The First Amendment is there to protect speech you disagree with.
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    This is the gist of what I told my friends on facebook yesterday, who were very critical of Chief Craig's decision to have the DPD protect the Nazis:

    They are Nazi scum and they picked Detroit for their protest to see if they could get a reaction from black Detroiters. They do that kind of thing because they are Nazi scum. The best thing to do is to ignore them. Nobody wants to see anyone go all Blues Brothers on them.
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    What’s good for the goose is good for the gander? ANTIFA shows up uninvited to other peoples’ rallies and protests, assaulting people and the police protect them and let them get away with it. Seen some pretty good footage a few times where they messed with wrong person and they got knocked out cold in the street. Beautiful!

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    If they applied for permits and complied with normal regs, the City of Detroit could not refuse them. The ACLU made sure of that with the Skokie case on the 1970s.

    If the neo-Nazi thugs did not have permits then DPD was faced with a dilemma:

    * Accompany them in force to prevent them from going violent and to prevent violent attacks on them (the prevention of which is probably what POed DU-member appalachiablue, among others) and to minimize the impact of traffic, incidental passersby, and property in the area where they marched;

    * Stay away from them (other than incidental presence now and again), which all but assure that the neo-Nazi thugs or Antifoid thugs would start a riot, and besides injuring each other, also injure incidental people living or doing business in the area as well as doing property damage.

    I have as much sympathy for neo-Nazi thugs as I do for Antifoid thugs (for DU-pipo unskilled in Math and understanding plain English, that would be zero sympathy). Obviously, I think DPD handled the situation properly. I assume the "Pride" event organizers had all the necessary permits. If the neo-Nazi thugs also had a permit(s), well, thank the ACLU. If the neo-Nazi thugs did not have a permit(s), I hope DPD arrested the march leaders after their march, i.e. after the danger of a riot was past.
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    It still amazes me that so many on the Left still don't get it.

    First you see idiots in crowd demanding that the Cops arrest the Neo-Nazis for being ... being Neo-Nazis. And when the Cops tell them ' No ' , the protesters can't figure out why not.

    Now its almost normal for Leftists to demand the Cops arrest anyone saying anything they don't like; jerkazoids.
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    It still amazes me that so many on the Left still don't get it.
    Many of them really believe that they are entitled to beat up people they do not agree with if they label that which they disagree with "hate".

    And they believe that they are entitled to shut down speech they disagree with and they demand government, social platforms, and society in general do as they demand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carol View Post
    Many of them really believe that they are entitled to beat up people they do not agree with if they label that which they disagree with "hate".

    And they believe that they are entitled to shut down speech they disagree with and they demand government, social platforms, and society in general do as they demand.
    Yep! DPD obstructed the exercise of those rights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SVPete View Post
    Yep! DPD obstructed the exercise of those rights.

    Just a little backround on Chief Craig:

    He was appointed chief under the emergency manager Kevin Orr, when the city was in bankruptcy and then-Governor Rick Snyder (R) took over management of the city. Orr was appointed by Gov. Snyder. I never got the feeling that Orr was R or D, or liberal or conservative. Just business-minded, as he was the guy who saved Chrysler at one point. There was a lot of hostility in the city about Snyder's takeover at the time it happened, as the governor basically over-rode local elections. It ended up working out well in the long run, but at the time, there was a lot of anger about it.

    Craig is pro-second amendment. He has said that law-abiding citizens should have guns as long as they follow the law and are responsible. He has said that no police department can be everywhere at all times. Since he's been chief, there has been a rise in the number of justifiable homicides/self defense shootings in the city.

    The city came out of bankruptcy around the time Mayor Duggan (D) took office, so at some point all mayoral responsibilities reverted back to that office. Rumor had it that Duggan wanted to fire Craig, because various factions in his base ( the loudest ones) didn't like Craig's stand on gun ownership and police tactics. But the average voter in Detroit loves Chief Craig, especially older residents and church people. So Duggan has kept him on as chief. Also, Duggan is a white man as mayor of a city that is at least 80% black-there are people who hate him because he's white and the mayor. And black senior citizens in Detroit always vote, and a lot of them who still live in their old neighborhoods have legal handguns. Millennial protestors don't always vote.

    I think Craig is smart and maintains an apolitical stand on the job. The cops seem to like him. He's got an almost-impossible job and he has some citizens whom he can never please, even when his policy in this case is about keeping the peace.
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