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  1. #1 I cannot believe how many working class people are brainwashed about the term sociali 
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    I cannot believe how many working class people are brainwashed about the term socialism.

    I have been a blue collared worker my whole life. I hang out with blue collar workers. So many of them hate the Democrats because of the term socialism. I must be honest, I tell all of them they are swallowing propaganda like pigs at a trough.


    Where did this belief come from? Social Security? Medicare? Is that evil socialism? This is a big problem that must be fixed. It is this belief that causes ten of millions of working class Americans to vote against their best interests and destroys their lives.
    It comes from being EDUCATED in what SOCIALISM is, what it entails and what it ACTUALLY does to people rather than what the jack*sses want people to think and what they claim it is.

    Liberals however would love it if we had class warfare and they're doing everything they can to encourage it.

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialismsocialism

    noun so·​cial·​ism | \ ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm

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    Definition of socialism

    1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

    2a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property

    b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state

    3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
    If Jack*sses like Shocky, AOC, and the like want Socialism they can move to Venezuela and see the joys of Socialism first hand.

    Meadowoak (1,044 posts)

    1. My bone headed brother thinks socialism and communism

    Are the same thing.
    Joe941 (1,951 posts)

    3. What america need more than anything is socialism.
    albacore (262 posts)

    6. Here....

    Meaning instead of blaming EVERYTHING on the 'rich' and demanding a hand out they take responsibility for themselves.

    smirkymonkey (44,188 posts)

    19. +1000
    Ohiogal (10,758 posts)

    8. I hear this often, from right wingers

    Socialism is the same thing as communism .... all the libs want to do is spend other people's money .... etc. etc. It's ingrained in their brains.
    Thekaspervote (4,675 posts)

    9. Agree... it's the roads we drive on, the police, fire dept, animal control and on and on!!
    DUmmies think that everyone is so DUmb that they can make them believe that that is "socialism". It is NOT.

    procon (13,352 posts)

    11. It's a branding problem.

    For decades Republicans have been allowed to redefine the meaning of socialism with little push back from the Dems. As a group, Dems hide from the term like they're ashamed of SS and Medicare, the two greatest social benefits programs in our history.

    We have to claw back our legacy and reclaim our leftist roots with pride in all the government run progressive programs that are continuing to uplift people and improve their lives. We own the socialist programs that people of both parties depend on and couldn't be without. That statement should be said loudly, not just as a reminder of the enormously popular social programs that we Dems have accomplished, but also that's what we stand for, and the prospect of a future that can benefit everyone.
    Typical liberal response. If we JUST explain it better we can get/make everyone to agree with us.

    Hortensis (32,810 posts)

    12. Lol. I can't believe how many Sanders admirers have/had no idea

    what socialism is or even, in some cases, that he's a lifelong ardent socialist. He spent his early decades envying Nicaragua's socialist revolution and trying to build revolutionary fervor in peaceful, prosperous VT.

    That of course failed, but all these years he's never abandoned his dream of overthrowing the government by class revolution, though he can't sell socialism even to those thrilled by his rhetoric on the stump. Some months ago, when the subject came up, a few here on DU tried out the label "democratic socialist" for themselves, but apparently it mostly didn't take.

    For a real indication of that some haven't yet done even basic homework, though, how about the national poll not too long ago that showed a majority of Sanders supporters at that time listed Biden as their second choice! Might as well laugh, though somehow I doubt I-Sanders is able to find being equated with Biden amusing, even if it is very beneficial.
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    16. If we would stop using the word socialism we would not get such push back.

    It is a fighting word. I grew up in the 50’s and 60’s. Then we were told were we’re fighting the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

    Just describe your ideas such as health care for all and leave the idea that it is socialism out.

    We have seen the enemy and it is us.

    My guess is some here want to have a fight on this board when they bring up socialism.
    Well there's a winner. Let's HIDE what we want and what we will do if we have power.

    tblue37 (33,395 posts)

    20. Propaganda works. The Dems have ceded the major broadcast conduits to the right wingers,

    whose moneyed friends are willing to take real financial losses to continue supporting their RW radio stations & local TV stations, and when advertisers flee the biggest FOX mouths, they continue to support them & keep them on the air.I

    RW money also funds think tanks, websites, internships, activists and activist programs, etc., so right wingers can make lovely incomes, while liberals are expected to accept being poor while devoting their lives to the cause.
    LOL. That's liberal propaganda. Republicans are rich. Democrats are poor. That way they can ignore the fact that many Democrats are rich and are pouring money into liberal PACS and candidates. When they call for money out of politics they're not calling for liberal money out of politics that's for sure.
    Liberals are divorced from reality and they think it's great. When you live in la la land you're never wrong, it's always the other person/groups fault and you can believe what you want to believe and call it 'truth'.
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    USSR: Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
    Nazi = NSDAP: National Socialist German Workers' Party
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    The only people that are brainwashed about socialism are the ones that think it's better than what we have here in America.
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    Socialism isn't all that bad. It's only killed tens of millions of people under Mao, Stalin, Lenin, Hitler, Pol
    Pot, Castro, etc..
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    27. The monied/capitalist class controls the schools, the media, and the politicians...

    so I am not as incredulous about how many working class people are brainwashed, but it is disheartening as hell.
    Huh? The NEA and the AFT control the schools. And the media? You mean the New York Times? Yup, those right wing meanies!!!
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    shockey80 (2,431 posts)

    I cannot believe how many working class people are brainwashed about the term socialism.
    That various forms of socialism have caused the deaths of tens of millions of innocents in the USSR, China, North Korea, Cuba, Vietnam, Cambodia, Ethiopia, Zimbabwe, and Venezuela is not brainwashing, it's fact. That various forms of socialism have been failed economic systems, producing stagnation or worse is not brainwashing, it's fact.

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    The condescension and straw- men are strong with the DUmmies in this thread.
    We know that Socialism is not Communism. However, it is a major step on the road to Communism.
    We also know that Socialism has never worked anywhere it has been implemented.
    We know that the countries foolish enough to accept Socialism have seen it end in widespread poverty, starvation, corruption, campaigns of genocide and ethnic cleansing, religious persecution (Most American Christians aren't keen on following a system of government under which tens of millions of Christians have been persecuted, imprisoned, tortured and executed for refusing to deny Jesus and become atheists; It would be like a Jew supporting Nazism), and the installation of some of the most brutal dictators in human history.

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    If Jack*sses like Shocky, AOC, and the like want Socialism they can move to Venezuela and see the joys of Socialism first hand.
    No, instead, they should move to Cuba, preferably one of the rural villages like Baguanos (I went there on a missions trip in '05; What I saw there further cemented my opposition to Socialism) and tell the locals there how great Socialism is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by movie buff View Post
    The condescension and straw- men are strong with the DUmmies in this thread.
    We know that Socialism is not Communism. However, it is a major step on the road to Communism.
    We also know that Socialism has never worked anywhere it has been implemented.
    We know that the countries foolish enough to accept Socialism have seen it end in widespread poverty, starvation, corruption, campaigns of genocide and ethnic cleansing, religious persecution (Most American Christians aren't keen on following a system of government under which tens of millions of Christians have been persecuted, imprisoned, tortured and executed for refusing to deny Jesus and become atheists; It would be like a Jew supporting Nazism), and the installation of some of the most brutal dictators in human history.
    But that's where their ego's and stupidity come into play.

    They'll come in with same excuses that those want Socialism always use.

    " That wasn't real Socialism. "

    " They just didn't do it right. "

    " If I had been in charge, I would have created Utopia. "

    They can't except that something that was meant to run a village ( around a 100 people ) can't be used to run a nation of millions.

    And by the way, I never meet a Socialist who didn't want to be rich; they just hate the idea of anyone else wanting it too.
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    My 5th grade teacher and his family escaped from Hungary, by climbing under the Iron Curtain. He told us the story-how they had to cross a mine field to get to the fence, and he watched as children were blown up by stepping on mines. He carried his daughter through it. There were USSR soldiers in all the guard towers, and there were soldiers stationed with dogs at intervals between the towers. He took all the risks, because life under the USSR was worse than risking death for freedom.

    Prior to his defection, my teacher had been incarcerated in a Nazi Concentration Camp, as a Hungarian Army POW. He also spent time in a Soviet Gulag. He had very strong opinions regarding socialism.

    I don't think that younger people hear those stories, nor do they read literature in school that exposes that world. They think it's over and socialism has nothing to do with communism. They also tend to think (as my nieces do) that socialism is "fair", that it will eliminate a "ruling class" and that a classless society will be great. I told my snowflake nieces that there will never be a classless society, at least not before Jesus returns (they roll their eyes at that). There will always be a group who has power and wants to either take power from someone else and/or abuse their power over others. Sometimes they call themselves one thing, sometimes another. Sometimes they come from the right, sometimes from the left. But regardless of that, at least in a democracy, the people have the power to vote them out, even if your guy didn't win the last time.

    But they can fix the printer when it jams up, so there's that.
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