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  1. #1 Concealed weapons could be banned from city property,By Rose Egge 
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    In response to recent incidents of violence, including a shooting on May 24 that killed three people at Seattle's Folklife festival, Seattle Mayor Greg Nickels has recommended that all city departments consider a ban of all concealed weapons on city property.

    The ban would make it illegal for anyone to carry a firearm on properties including the Seattle Center and City Hall, even with a concealed weapons permit. State law already prohibits firearms in schools, courthouses and jails.

    It would not affect city streets and public sidewalks that are not being used for city events, parking garages and lots, city property leased for residential use or the Roger Dahl Rifle Training Range.

    In a press release Nickels said "From the increasing number of patrol offices on our streets, to our Youth Violence Prevention Initiative, we're addressing public safety issues from all directions. Common-sense gun rules are just one more way to protect our workers, residents, families and children."

    Some have questioned how effective the rule would be. Kay Godefroy, a West Seattle resident and executive director of the Seattle Neighborhood Group, says that while the rule might be effective in city-owned buildings, it would be difficult to enforce in parks and other open spaces.

    "I really don't think that people will obey it," said Godefroy. "If someone doesn't feel safe in a park they're still going to (carry a firearm)."


    She added that Nickel's attempt to control youth violence may be misdirected.

    "I think the problem is there are too many guns walking around the city," says Godefroy. "It's the availability of guns that has more to do with the recent rise in youth violence."

    Others see it as a violation of their second amendment right.

    "Second amendment gives us the right (to carry a handgun) whether it's your home or a park or anywhere else," said one West Seattle resident who legally carries a handgun. "I don't think it would prevent assaults because bad people don't obey the law in the first place."

    Under the policy city departments would add gun-free terms to most leases and agreements. City property would only be leased, rented or permitted for use to parties that prohibit all attending from possessing firearms on leased city property. Sponsors of major events would be required to take reasonable preventative actions such as visual inspections and safe storage for legal firearms.

    Currently the proposed rule does not include any specific penalties but those who refuse to comply could receive citations or be arrested for criminal trespass.

    http://www.westseattleherald.com/art...ews/news17.txt
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    Common sense gun rules is to allow your average Joe to have them legally so that when some letist wacko opens fire - Joe can shot back and bring the idiot down before he kills 18 people.
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    "I think the problem is there are too many guns walking around the city," says Godefroy. "It's the availability of guns that has more to do with the recent rise in youth violence."
    Horseshit.

    Hanguns heavily regulated here, three shootings with a handgun in 24 hours. All illegal weapons, none obtained from legal gun owners, all bought through illegal means

    Gun laws = futility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by megimoo View Post
    ..."I really don't think that people will obey it," said Godefroy. "If someone doesn't feel safe in a park they're still going to (carry a firearm)."

    She added that Nickel's attempt to control youth violence may be misdirected.

    "I think the problem is there are too many guns walking around the city," says Godefroy. "It's the availability of guns that has more to do with the recent rise in youth violence."
    Okay, so one moderate opponent sees it as ineffectual, but only because she wants a far greater gun ban.
    Quote Originally Posted by megimoo View Post
    ...Others see it as a violation of their second amendment right.

    "Second amendment gives us the right (to carry a handgun) whether it's your home or a park or anywhere else," said one West Seattle resident who legally carries a handgun. "I don't think it would prevent assaults because bad people don't obey the law in the first place."
    And the only other cited objection is based on an abstract Second Amendment principle, rather than the fact that the law itself will fail because it will only be obeyed by those inclined to obey the law in the first place, and those aren't the people that you want to disarm. Notice that they didn't go to the NRA or any other responsible pro-gun entity for a comment? Or let the opponents frame their own objections? How about the fact that gun bans actually exacerbate crime? The media truly sucks.
    Quote Originally Posted by megimoo View Post
    ...Under the policy city departments would add gun-free terms to most leases and agreements. City property would only be leased, rented or permitted for use to parties that prohibit all attending from possessing firearms on leased city property. Sponsors of major events would be required to take reasonable preventative actions such as visual inspections and safe storage for legal firearms.
    http://www.westseattleherald.com/art...ews/news17.txt
    Their security would also have to be bonded, since securing firearms isn't like checking your coat, and the city will have to provide secure storage at each of its facilities (or are they just going to impose the costs on the leaseholders?). This will increase every event's cost, plus add infrastructure costs to the city budget. In addition, it will make every event held on municipal property a sheepfest, with no armed shepherds to guard the flock. We saw how well that worked at the Virginia Tech and Columbine HS.
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