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  1. #1 Trump world is getting excited about a report from this guy Solomon. 
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    RDANGELO (2,234 posts)

    Trump world is getting excited about a report from this guy Solomon.

    He is saying that the Ukrainians were already investigating Hunter Biden's company when the call took place. I don't think that really changes anything from the transcript. The funds are being withheld; Zelinsky begs for antitank weapons, and Trump immediately states that he wants them to investigate the Bidens. If somebody robs a bank, and it turns out they didn't need the money, that doesn't make them innocent.


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    Hortensis (33,573 posts)

    1. RW spin/lie. Trump first asked Ukraine months before the famous call

    to manufacture a fake scandal against the Democratic candidate he fears most. Events since suggest Ukraine did not comply.
    Laura PourMeADrink (29,152 posts)

    7. I have wondered why they didn't. At first I thought..

    Ok...this is gonna be good . Ukraine stood up to him. But then their prez acted like Trump's bitch, lying for him. Seems like it would have been easy for them to come up with something? Even if there was the slightest glimmer of truth trump could have spun it.
    Talk about lies! President Trump asked Ukraine MONTHS before the call to 'manufacture a fake scandal against the Democrat candidate he fears most'. Where did that come from? Certainly not from legitimate evidence. And then saying their President LIED for PRESIDENT TRUMP? What lie?

    Evidently Democrats consider anything that doesn't advance their agenda a "lie"
    Hortensis (33,573 posts)

    15. Yes. Biden's well known for his integrity, and the world press

    was on the scene all through 2014-2016 when this was supposed to be happening. It's not exactly a new story, and its entirety was Hunter's unseemly acceptance of the position, for which the company got to brag about having "a Biden" on the board.

    Bottom line, Ukraine couldn't have come up with even a glimmer of truth that would help Trump because the truth shows Biden to be an honest, competent statesman. Something Trump can't imagine and can't use.
    If they were bragging about having a "Biden" on the board then he shouldn't have been on the board. He/they were USING his closeness to Obama's point man for Ukraine for FINANCIAL GAIN. That right there shows that it wasn't his expertise or education that he was on the board but what they could do for each other because JOE BIDEN was his father.

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    3. The question is do they believe the lies?

    Are they even aware they are in the presence of lies? You cannot reason with people in that state. When you lose sense of right or wrong you are in the realm of sanity and insanity (legal not psychological). This is no longer politics it is a lynch mob eventually they are going to want blood.
    Right. It doesn't fit their narrative so it's a lie.
    UpInArms (45,976 posts)

    4. John Solomon has already been exposed as a hack

    https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212540837
    Right. He's exposing the Obama Administration so that automatically means hes a 'hack'.

    Maraya1969 (14,649 posts)

    6. If they were already investigating why did 45 ask them to investigate? And why didn't the president

    tell him they were already investigating if 45 didn't know?

    Why did Trump ask the Ukrainian President to investigate it? Because he didn't know they were investigating it and he saw the need for them to do so. Why didn't he tell President Trump? Maybe he wasn't wanting to at that time. He DID say that they were going after corruption and routing it out of their government. Biden being on that board and questions where the money came from were very likely corruption.

    RDANGELO (2,234 posts)

    8. Right - It doesn't match up with anything that has already taken place.
    Laura PourMeADrink (29,152 posts)

    9. Yes. Something's fishy. Think press should

    dig into this more. Timeline/motive.
    They won't because it will show Biden's guilt and they are only interested in parroting the Democrat talking points saying that they're no evidence they did anything wrong.
    Hortensis (33,573 posts)

    17. Justsecurity.org has a pretty comprehensive timeline.

    Giuliani has ties to corrupt elements in and out of Ukraine's government and was pushing long before 2019 for the government to manufacture scandals against Democrats, back in 2016-2017 against Hillary Clinton mainly.

    Biden's name first shows up on this one in late 2018 (as Trump's already concerned about the 2020 election). Second mention is March 2019, when Ukraine obliges by opening investigations.

    Late 2018 — Two Soviet-born Florida businessmen, Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, arrange a Skype call between Giuliani and Shokin, according to an investigation by the nonprofit Organized Crime and Corruption Reporting Project (OCCRP) published in BuzzFeed News. The two businessmen also connect Giuliani with then-Prosecutor General Lutsenko. Giuliani invites Lutsenko to his office in New York, a meeting they arrange for January.

    Lutsenko told the LA Times that he had numerous conversations with Guiliani on the phone. He also tells the paper that Giuliani pressed him repeatedly to open an investigation on the Bidens and Burisma, even though Lutsenko had seen no evidence of legal wrongdoing.



    March 2019 – Ukraine prosecutor general Lutsenko opens two investigations—one into the 2016 U.S. presidential election and a second into Burisma and Biden.

    Following his meetings with Giuliani, prosecutor general Yuriy Lutsenko announces he is opening two investigations.

    “The decision to reopen the investigation into Burisma was made … by the current Ukrainian prosecutor general [Lutsenko], who had cleared Hunter Biden’s employer more than two years ago. The announcement … was seen in some quarters as an effort by the prosecutor general, Yuriy Lutsenko, to curry favor from the Trump administration for his boss and ally, the incumbent president,” the New York Times reported (in May 2019).



    https://www.justsecurity.org/66271/t...d-ukrainegate/
    lies, lies and more lies.
    Liberals are divorced from reality and they think it's great. When you live in la la land you're never wrong, it's always the other person/groups fault and you can believe what you want to believe and call it 'truth'.
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    I don't think that really changes anything from the transcript. The funds are being withheld; Zelinsky begs for antitank weapons, and Trump immediately states that he wants them to investigate the Bidens.
    Wow! Did Schiffty rewrite the transcript again? I do not remember any reference to antitank weapons ... or any other weapons ... or any reference to funds being withheld or offered.
    Facts don't matter to DUpipo.

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    Hortensis (33,573 posts)

    1. RW spin/lie. Trump first asked Ukraine months before the famous call

    to manufacture a fake scandal against the Democratic candidate he fears most
    . Events since suggest Ukraine did not comply.
    link?
    "Even if Trump didn't pay Russian hookers to pee on one another to defile a bed the Obamas once slept on it sounds like something he would do and that's all that matters." DemocratSinceBirth, Wed Jan 11, 2017, 09:32 AM

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