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  1. #1 Business as usual in the middle east 
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    Former US-Backed Rebel Leader Now Spearheading Attack On US-Backed Syrian Kurds

    Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan announced Thursday that his forces have killed 109 Syrian Kurdish militants since the start of the northern Syria incursion, dubbed 'Operation Peace Spring'.

    ďThe operation is currently continuing with the involvement of all our units... 109 terrorists have been killed so far,Ē Erdogan stated, as quoted by Reuters.

    At the same time pro-Kurdish media sources have cited nearly a dozen pro-Turkish forces killed in border areas where both sides have clashed on the ground.

    Currently it appears Turkey is mustering large forces and cutting off communications and ground access points outside the largest Syrian population centers near the border, ahead of expected major clashes.

    Local reports suggest Kurdish YPG/SDF forces are prepping their fighters for major urban ground warfare while their families continue to flee to safer zones.

    Though at this point it is impossible to gain an accurate civilian casualty toll figure, which is likely much higher, international reports cite at least 8 Syrian civilians killed after yesterday's first wave of Turkey's military operation, including at least two children among the dead.

    The Turkish-backed Syrian National Army (SNA), comprised of former 'Free Syrian Army' (FSA) and Syrian al-Qaeda linked militants (and likely former ISIS members) ó now spearheading the ground invasion ó have reportedly captured at least two towns after pushing south from the Turkish border.

    Underscoring the absurd contractions of Washington's Syria policy over the course of the past seven years of proxy war, the pro-Turkish Syrian National Army rebels are actually led by Salim Idris (among two other top commanders), the former Chief of Staff of the Supreme Military Council of the FSA.
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    This means America's former top "rebel" leader is now leading an invasion force against America's current Kurdish partners (the SDF) with NATO ally Turkey's support
    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...d-syrian-kurds


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    The locals (Assad, Turkey, Russia, Iran, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Israel) all have national interests at stake in the greater Syrian neighborhood. What is ours? To protect he Kurds forever? Many of them are Marxists and all have been allies of opportunity. Let the locals sort it out. After they finish with ISIS they can resume fighting each other. We can continue supplying Israel and the Arab monarchies with weapons and hopefully they will eventually contain Iran. We have no compelling national interest, no coherent objective, no strategy except expediency of the moment.

    Every Never-Trumper, Neo-con, democrat moderate, democrat loony tune is running around with their hair on fire. It is a shame when our national interest is thrown to the wind in favor of political expediency.

    Trump, most his 63 million voters (and Code Pink) know it is time to get out.

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    Here is a fact filled article highlighting why our withdrawal from the middle east is INEVITABLE and in OUR NATIONAL INTEREST. It puts the entire situation in historical, political and economic focus.

    This day was always going to happen.

    On the other hand, the United States was always going to leave Syria. If the Americans were unwilling to commit 100,000 troops to the overthrow of Syriaís Assad government and its subsequent forcible reconstruction, then there was little reason to become involved in a decades-long, grinding multi-sided civil war.
    https://us11.campaign-archive.com/?u...&id=4d2a18b8a0

    PS This article was not written by a Trump cheerleader, he is a Green, Hillary voting, liberal democrat who happens to be one of the top geopolitical analysts in the world.

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    just send hillary, she will sort it out like she did with the arab spring libya etc.
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    Another, even more insightful (IMO), analysis of the current middle east situation:

    https://geopoliticalfutures.com/the-...ish-relations/

    Trump clearly feels that the wars in the Middle East must be wound down and that a relationship with Turkey is critical. The faction that is still focused on the Middle East sees this as a fundamental betrayal of the Kurds. Foreign policy is a ruthless and unsentimental process. The Kurds want to establish a Kurdish nation. The U.S. canít and doesnít back that. On occasion, the U.S. will join in a mutually advantageous alliance with the Kurds to achieve certain common goals. But feelings aside, the U.S. has geopolitical interests that sometimes include the Kurds and sometimes donít Ė and the same can be said of the Kurds.

    At the moment, the issue is not al-Qaida but China and Russia, and Turkey is critical to the U.S. for Russia. The U.S. is critical for Turkey as well, but it cannot simply fall into American arms. It has grown too powerful in the region for that, and it has time to do it right. So Trumpís actions on the Syrian border will result in President Recep Tayyip Erdoganís visit to Washington and, in due course, a realignment in the region between the global power and the regional power.

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